trohde | 2023-12-29 00:58:36 UTC | #1
## Things change, and they don’t change back.
— Alex Kamal in “The Expanse”
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So there, I created the new thread.
Feel free to change the title if you have a better one :-)
`` 2023-01-03: revoking the invitation to change the title :-) ``
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The old 2022 thread is here:
https://forums.online-go.com/t/2022-hold-my-tea/40518
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yebellz | 2022-12-30 16:41:27 UTC | #2
Howdy, time travelers from 2023!
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trohde | 2022-12-30 16:55:46 UTC | #3
I’m just being clairvoyant ;-)
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teapoweredrobot | 2022-12-30 16:59:16 UTC | #4
[quote="trohde, post:1, topic:46005"]
Things change, and they don’t change back.
[/quote]
Makes me want to change the title just so someone can change it back...
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b_runner | 2022-12-31 04:13:39 UTC | #5
Some things never change.
[details="Summary"]
Go
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Maharani | 2022-12-31 04:51:11 UTC | #6
*whispers* Early 3-3 invasions...
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dangermousse | 2022-12-31 11:14:11 UTC | #7
Happy 2023 everyone.
Lot of people setting off their fireworks even though they're only on sale, legally, for a few days each year in NZ. Someone nearby clearly stocked up a lot.
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ArsenLapin1 | 2022-12-31 11:09:49 UTC | #8
I would remove "(Alex Kamal in "The Expanse")" from the title, because it makes it look like this is a topic about "The Expanse".
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Atorrante | 2022-12-31 11:21:54 UTC | #9
A better title might be:
Does history repeats itself or not?
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trohde | 2022-12-31 18:34:34 UTC | #10
K, done ;-)
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Allerleirauh | 2022-12-31 22:55:11 UTC | #11
Well, let's see if this will hold true for this year as well.
https://forums.online-go.com/t/2022-hold-my-tea/40518/8?u=allerleirauh
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Gia | 2023-01-01 00:17:35 UTC | #12
Happy new year everyone!
Our host for 2023 wants y'all to be perverse. I'm just the messenger. 🤷🏻♀️
Y'all be happy tho
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BHydden | 2023-01-01 03:10:30 UTC | #14
[quote="teapoweredrobot, post:4, topic:46005"]
Makes me want to change the title just so someone can change it back…
[/quote]
I fixed the title since the post was made before any part of the world was in 2023 but I suppose someone will change it 😅😉🎉
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Allerleirauh | 2023-01-01 03:54:22 UTC | #15
I started the year with a win on Fox. It's not pretty but it's a win.
https://online-go.com/game/49799508
Looking at it it's interesting that Fox 5ds make big mistakes all the time. I'm thinking if one just doesn't make mistakes, they can get to 6d.
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gennan | 2023-01-01 04:10:00 UTC | #16
[quote="Allerleirauh, post:15, topic:46005"]
I’m thinking if one just doesn’t make mistakes, they can get to 6d.
[/quote]
If you don't make mistakes, you're stronger than the strongest AI.
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JethOrensin | 2023-01-01 09:00:49 UTC | #17
Happy new year everyone! With good health first and foremost for you and your loved ones :)
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Allerleirauh | 2023-01-01 14:41:47 UTC | #18
That's the joke.
The non-joke part of the joke is that eliminating simple mistakes like silly misreads will probably boost winrate a lot. Problem is that fox games are specifically meant to tire you out and overwhelm you with problems. And then you make one mistake and it's over.
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trohde | 2023-01-01 17:37:20 UTC | #19
# May health and happiness be your faithful companions in 2023, and MAY IT BECOME YOUR BEST YEAR SO FAR!
The latter prolly shouldn’t be that difficult, eh?
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Allerleirauh | 2023-01-02 05:36:31 UTC | #20
What new year without fireworks
https://cs14.pikabu.ru/video/2023/01/01/1672569160250513487_416x640.mp4
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pinxterenw | 2023-01-02 08:37:09 UTC | #21
Finished my first game for 2023, a 2022 game i still had to finish.... got one sided so i had to resign..... i also found out through gotstats, i completed 2022 with a corr game lasting 11 months, 9 days, 13 hours and 26 minutes... longest ever for me, wonder how long they can get?.
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Cchristina | 2023-01-02 08:50:11 UTC | #22
Happy 2023 eveyrone!
Hopefully a calm, easy, nice, happy, prosperous, healthy, stress-less year.
[Voluntary stress (eg Go games) accepted]
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david265 | 2023-01-02 11:53:10 UTC | #23
[quote="ArsenLapin1, post:8, topic:46005"]
because it makes it look like this is a topic about “The Expanse”.
[/quote]
I'm several comments in, and still have no idea what it's about. ADDED: oh, I guess it's just about the year being new? Just an illusion caused by our calendar...
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yebellz | 2023-01-02 17:29:01 UTC | #24
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64125531
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trohde | 2023-01-03 00:21:53 UTC | #25
[quote="pinxterenw, post:21, topic:46005"]
wonder how long they can get?
[/quote]
My longest game *according to gotstats* was 3 years 2 months 13 days 14 hours 57 minutes 13 seconds but that game was abandoned by my opponent, and because it was a friendly game I had paused it for a long time until I lost my patience.
My “real” longest game, i.e. orderly finished and (I don’t remember) won or lost, definitely went longer than two years. And IIRC a few of my current games are already over the two-year mark also :smiley:
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Groin | 2023-01-03 04:53:25 UTC | #26
Changed the title by switching the point to a question mark.
I met bunch of people who would not agree with the assertion so i think it will be more inclusive to put it as a question. For example Buddhists.
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Allerleirauh | 2023-01-03 05:18:17 UTC | #27
https://en.chessbase.com/post/alexandra-kosteniuk-switches-to-swiss-chess-federation
Seems Swiss are profiting from a war again~
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Gia | 2023-01-03 08:24:37 UTC | #28

Source: https://uk.the-mousetrap.co.uk/
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Gia | 2023-01-03 10:42:40 UTC | #29
I think we should leave the title as the creator intended, and express our difference in opinion in the discussion.
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mafidufa | 2023-01-03 10:59:54 UTC | #30
This thread title changes and changes back regularly it seems.
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Leira | 2023-01-03 16:10:38 UTC | #31
Well, so far so good for this year.
Maybe we should keep a tally, like
| Days since
last incident|
|---|
| :zero: :zero: :three:|
(three digits too optimistic?)
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JethOrensin | 2023-01-03 17:05:31 UTC | #32
[quote="Leira, post:31, topic:46005"]
(three digits too optimistic?)
[/quote]
Not if you change the label to say "Minutes since last incident" :P
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/03/health/covid-variant-xbb-explainer/index.html
what's with the XBB.1.5? If they keep this up the variants will have the same naming rules as computer monitors O_o
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Leira | 2023-01-03 17:56:36 UTC | #33
Technically, this is about December, so that's 2022's problem (and we already know that guy sucks, am I rite).
The projections are indeed about this year, but have not yet come to happen, so I won't reset the board just yet.
[quote="JethOrensin, post:32, topic:46005"]
what’s with the XBB.1.5?
[/quote]
[details="SARS-CoV-T800 soon coming"]
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trohde | 2023-01-03 18:18:06 UTC | #34
Thanks, @groin,
but I changed it back—and thus created what only *seems* to be a paradoxon :-D
IMHO the title *is* “inclusive” as it is, because it doesn’t exclude anything or anyone; the only exclusion is moving back in *time*, which only is possible in our imagination—and *there* everything is possible, of course, even the impossible.
We cannot stir the oat milk back out of the coffee or tea. All we can do is add more coffee or tea, so as to dissolve the oat milk more and more.
We cannot call back words we said. We cannot “undo” mistakes. What we can do is to try to make amends, and to make *better* mistakes next time. Sometimes we can learn to compensate, and sometimes we can appreciate the compensation more than the “undisturbed” situation before.
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An example:
In one of my former lives, when I was young, in the 1970s, I used to frequent a large village discotheque and shake my body, show “mating behaviour” and all that :smiley:
There was another guy who also often was there, always standing at the bar, never on the dance floor.
Then, suddenly, he we away for half a year. I learned that he had had a motorcycle accident … and lost one leg.
Then, some day, he returned to that (famous) discotheque. With only one leg, and with a crutch.
And he went straight to the dance floor—and danced, with only one leg, and with a crutch. He swayed his body around, and he had such a happy face.
I must add that the following was just my impression, but in that moment it seemed to me as if he enjoyed his body, his EXISTENCE, much more than he had done before.
“Overcompensation”?
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And I will strike out the “feel free to change the title […]” part in the OP because meanwhile I believe there exists no better title for _this_ thread :smiley:
`` Also, because it is a *quote*, and we aren’t supposed to change quotes to our liking. … as @Lys will remember. ``
`` Sry, had to edit again b/c the story about that motorcyclist was unfinished. ``
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square_fuseki | 2023-01-03 18:22:51 UTC | #35
2023: "Can I have an undo, please?"
trohde:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8_AMu-ahjM
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Cchristina | 2023-01-03 18:56:08 UTC | #36
Please don't add an undo button for 2023, because I am 110% sure 2023 will use it to undo the wrong things just because it can. :woman_shrugging:
"I never said I'd be a good year for apple trees, I never said I'd bring nice weather on your weekend trip, I never said you'd get a promotion, I never said your taxes will not increase, I never said your game will improve" etc etc etc
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ArsenLapin1 | 2023-01-03 23:20:21 UTC | #37
[quote="trohde, post:34, topic:46005"]
I must add that the following was just my impression, but in that moment it seemed to me as if he enjoyed his body, his EXISTENCE, much more than he had done before.
“Overcompensation”?
[/quote]
There is no way to know why he did it, but my guess would be different from yours.
This story doesn't evoke overcompensation to me at all. It makes me think about what we have and how fragile it is. And what we can do with what we have.
I imagine that when he had his accident he suddenly realised "It's very possible that I might never be able to dance again". And when it turned out that he could dance, with a crutch, he realised how important dancing was to him. And he cherished every opportunity of dancing that he still had.
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trohde | 2023-01-03 23:45:55 UTC | #38
[quote="ArsenLapin1, post:37, topic:46005"]
And he cherished every opportunity of dancing that he still had.
[/quote]
Yes! But exactly that’s my interpretation also — while formerly (and assumedly) he did NOT appreciate it as much as later.
Therefore … compensation for the loss, but … *even something more*.
But yeah, “overcompensation” probably is the wrong word, because, AFAIK, usually it is meant as being something with a negative effect.
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Groin | 2023-01-04 00:17:57 UTC | #39
Unless there is an invitation to change it.
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Groin | 2023-01-04 00:36:07 UTC | #40
Well, i put myself as the defender of people who don't think your sentence is truth although i would be more on your side as their side.
That's not anecdotical as they do feel the reverse in a quite intimate way like the water mixed with milk will someday become water and milk again and that the words you said will just vanish and the silence will take place again.
You can lose a leg but if you believe in reincarnation that can be just an anecdote in one of your life.
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yebellz | 2023-01-04 01:03:00 UTC | #41
https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/102jbhu/michael_van_gerwen_hits_8_perfect_darts_gets/
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Gia | 2023-01-04 21:10:05 UTC | #42
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/romeo-and-juliet-child-abuse-nude-scene-lawsuit-1235477837/
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Cchristina | 2023-01-05 10:21:55 UTC | #43
In 2018, their statements in interviews were not against the director. In 2019, the director dies. After that, the actors decide to sue.
Either they had a sudden revelation in their old age or, more probably, their contract terms and the director's connections were too strong up to 2019.
Also, there is this statement*: "your nudes won't go public". Hm.
If smuggling of nude etchings was already a thing during the roman ages, what is the probability of nude camera shots of film stars not taking the profitable route in the '60s? The actors were young, they were impressionable, they had dreams of stardom. Didn't their parents and/or their agent know better?
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Gia | 2023-01-05 11:11:57 UTC | #44
[quote="Cchristina, post:43, topic:46005"]
Didn’t their parents and/or their agent know better
[/quote]
Don't search Brooke Shields and her mother stories.
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JethOrensin | 2023-01-05 12:08:54 UTC | #45
> They are seeking damages “believed to be in excess of $500 million.”
It would have been funny if they paid them in 1968 dollars and gave them 100.000 dollars tops, while the lawyers were paid with current rates ;)
For those who think that I am being silly, I have to note that members of the local municipality council around 2015 proposed to pay with drachmas (which have not been in circulation since 2002), a dispute they had going since 1992 because "that's the kind of money it was worth back then". To noone's surprise, the dispute is still ongoing :rofl:
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ArsenLapin1 | 2023-01-05 20:24:24 UTC | #47
Someone killed the thread turtles... It was an endangered species 🐢
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trohde | 2023-01-05 22:24:34 UTC | #48
Maybe I can make amends by posting this link to images of Golden Thread Turtles?
https://www.google.com/search?q=thread+turtles&client=safari&rls=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwje0aa8t7H8AhWeRvEDHeIVDlMQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=2076&bih=1312&dpr=2
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JethOrensin | 2023-01-06 10:23:45 UTC | #49
Meanwhile, somewhere on the planet:
https://youtu.be/xaHNiTEjGwI?t=229
:sweat_smile: :sweat_smile:
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Gia | 2023-01-06 11:18:23 UTC | #50
Half the fun in Dan's videos are the comments.

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gennan | 2023-01-07 18:16:43 UTC | #51

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/old-nazi-map-sparks-treasure-hunt-netherlands-2023-01-06/
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JethOrensin | 2023-01-07 18:53:42 UTC | #52
If it is out in the public, it is probably a publicity stunt. Such treasures do exist, but ain't noone mad enough to publish the map. God knows, people have been shot in the mountains for far less money than "millions of euros" :/
[details="True story and cautionary tale about treasure hunting"]
It is a well known story here where a person thought that he had a good idea where a hidden cache might have been. He confided in two friends so that they could dig and search more effectively and off they went into the mountains into the night, like a lot of other people used to do back then, after the war.
They went on a hill, dug around some very suspicious trees, found nothing and headed down to the village. By then in was morning, so they left the tools home and went to the kafene to drink a coffee.
In there, 5 people from a nearby village were sitting around with shotguns and hunting rifles drinking coffee as well.
"Lucky night out, eh lads?" they called out when they saw them.
"Hardly any luck, but how on earth do you know?"
"Oh, don't say that. We were further up the hill pointing at you with the rifles. Had you found something, then you would have been **very unlucky**. You get very lucky lads."
Needless to say they never went treasure hunting again.
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gennan | 2023-01-07 19:28:49 UTC | #53
To me it looks more like a wild goose chase than a publicity stunt.
More backstory:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/07/treasure-map-hunt-15million-nazi-hoard
> A lot of researchers, journalists and amateur archaeologists are really interested and excited,” said Annet Waalkens, an adviser at the National Archives, which last week released more than 1,300 historical documents. Whether any would-be treasure hunter will be able to find the cases is another matter. Among the cache of second world war papers was a 7cm-thick file that recounted the fruitless efforts of the Dutch state to find the looted Nazi treasure after the war.
The nearby municipality warns that it is dangerous to dig in the area because of potential unexploded bombs, grenades and mines from an old WW II frontline nearby. Besides that, it is actually forbidden to use metal detectors in that area.
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JethOrensin | 2023-01-07 20:35:38 UTC | #54
[quote="gennan, post:53, topic:46005"]
The nearby municipality warns that it is dangerous to dig in the area because of potential unexploded bombs, grenades and mines from an old WW II frontline nearby.
[/quote]
Ah, that "good old" excuse eh? ... I guess some things are the same everywhere you go. :thinking:
If you have any friends that want to go after that just for the fun, I'd honestly suggest you tell them to stay home.
The treasure might not be there, but the greed and the danger are always real.
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Allerleirauh | 2023-01-07 20:54:26 UTC | #55
So damn cold. Where is the global warming when you need it the most.
Pic from the internet
https://cs14.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2023-01_2/1673094464190988173.jpg
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Conrad_Melville | 2023-01-07 21:25:50 UTC | #56
Reminds me of the old observation that the moon is better than the sun, because it gives us light at night, when we need it.
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Conrad_Melville | 2023-01-07 21:30:52 UTC | #57
There are a number of excellent books about real-life treasure hunters, most notably *The Treasure Hunter* by Robin Moore (as told to) and Howard Jennings (a professional treasure hunter). Highly recommended.
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gennan | 2023-01-07 21:50:43 UTC | #58
[quote="JethOrensin, post:54, topic:46005"]
If you have any friends that want to go after that just for the fun, I’d honestly suggest you tell them to stay home.
The treasure might not be there, but the greed and the danger are always real.
[/quote]
I don't believe there is any treasure to be found there and I don't expect anyone I know is going there.
I pity local residents who are inconvenienced by the mess and holes in their gardens left behind by a hodgepodge of wannabe treasure hunters, dowsers and crackpots.
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JethOrensin | 2023-01-07 22:28:32 UTC | #59
[quote="gennan, post:58, topic:46005"]
I don’t believe there is any treasure to be found there
[/quote]
I am with you on that.
[quote="gennan, post:58, topic:46005"]
and I don’t expect anyone I know is going there.
[/quote]
That's good to know! :)
[quote="gennan, post:58, topic:46005"]
I pity local residents who are inconvenienced by the mess and holes in their gardens left behind by a hodgepodge of wannabe treasure hunters, dowsers and crackpots.
[/quote]
It can potentially be worse. This is a true story, happened in 2013, but there was the local fair in a village nearby (in Greece that usually means the celebration of the village church) and it is a village that makes a lot of local [tsipouro](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsipouro) and they are very keen on consuming it as well.
As you can imagine they were very rawdy and drunk and that covered the noise of what happened nearby during the night. When they woke up and decided to get the day rolling around midday, one local farmer that had a field on a nearby hill, found a huge gaping hole made by heavy machinery in quite an extensive area. There is actually video of the result:
https://youtu.be/_5IrGFnXdZQ?t=10
A surgical strike by real pro treasure hunters, to say the least.
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Allerleirauh | 2023-01-08 10:04:45 UTC | #60
"We're gonna build a wall."
https://greekreporter.com/2023/01/07/greece-extend-border-turkey-fence/
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Cchristina | 2023-01-08 11:58:05 UTC | #61
Supposedly, the wall will be used to deter smugglers (as per the ministry), but knowing Greek goverments, I'm ready to believe they have erected the cheapest sort of scrapwood panel, they plastered it with advertising about gambling sites and nightlife and they opened a couple of restaurants and cafés in the vicinity for good measure.
With all that money, they could have given a facelift to the roads and city infrastructures close to the border and have less ghost cities in the region. Even the local capitals have an eerie, desolated atmosphere of abandon. I can almost imagine the smugglers being more afraid of hearing ghosts howling from the empty storefronts than troubled by a mere wall.
Quite a lot of Greeks believe this wall should also be efficient for defending the border against a foreign army. I think this idea is way too ambitious and unlikely and quite outdated, with today's tech and armaments. I'm not a professional, though and I might be mistaken.
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JethOrensin | 2023-01-08 13:02:29 UTC | #62
[quote="Cchristina, post:61, topic:46005"]
I’m not a professional, though and I might be mistaken.
[/quote]
The minister is **not** a professional either, so your guess is as good as his :D
https://www.mod.mil.gr/en/minister-national-defence/
He is specialised in agriculture, economics and law. His military service was even at the airforce and we all know what that means in Greece: MEGA-VISMA (For the non-Greeks: "Visma" means socket - it is slang for someone being very well connected) doing nothing and being 1 day in camp and 29 days out ;)
One could wonder why he is not minister of agriculture then ... weeeeeeeell, for the same reason why our minister of Employment, has **never ever held an actual job** and been employed in his life.
[quote="Cchristina, post:61, topic:46005"]
but knowing Greek goverments, I’m ready to believe they have erected the cheapest sort of scrapwood panel
[/quote]
That's very old school. The new "fashion" is to put the correct stuff in, but just over-charge for them. Who is checking anyway? Due to the insanity of the voters, the same party controls municipalies, prefectures and the government, so there is no oversight
Here is an example.
This:

Will cost 400 euros **EACH** and we are buying 1470 of them:

Ergo we will spend **588.000 euro** on them.
Enjoy the show next time you see politicians on the news talking about us having to be careful with our money and be "fiscally responsible" :sweat_smile:
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Gia | 2023-01-08 13:52:10 UTC | #63
Again with that joke, I guess it's the elections in a couple of months. Whatever can be printed in a front page goes 🙄
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Cchristina | 2023-01-08 17:04:08 UTC | #64
If [this article](https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/kuwait-airways/aviation-recruitment-agency-meccti-asks-spanish-candidates-to-stand-in-underwear-during-interview/) is accurate, it is unsettling.
Anyway, I post this here to ask two questions:
- if the job description is not about appearance but about other skills, why is it legal or even acceptable to check appearance?
- why are we never criticizing the interviewers who organize ridiculous interviews? All I read in job interview articles is how to please the company, never how to check if the company people are sane.
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Gia | 2023-01-08 17:14:57 UTC | #65
[quote="Cchristina, post:64, topic:46005"]
legal
[/quote]
It usually isn't. But when did that ever mean much.
[quote="Cchristina, post:64, topic:46005"]
acceptable to check appearance
[/quote]
Well, I guess it's time for another round of "women and Go" firework spectacle...
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JethOrensin | 2023-01-08 17:35:36 UTC | #66
[quote="Cchristina, post:64, topic:46005"]
Anyway, I post this here to ask two questions:
[/quote]
Well, this is the internet, so at least the first answer **can** be found.
> if the job description is not about appearance but about other skills
I found the listing from the same company, about the same airline, but for the Greek hiring. Here is the link:
https://www.inflightcrewjobs.com/latestjobs
They are using a script so there is permalink, so here are the images:

If you click on the Greece recruitment link, it takes you here:

So, yes, apparently what the article mentioned about the requirements is, indeed, true and the company considers a specific appearance as a "skill". :thinking:
I am very perplexed about this, to be honest:
> Ability to swim unaided
Why is that needed for an airplane?
Anyway, back to your questions:
> why are we never criticizing the interviewers who organize ridiculous interviews?
The company itself has a dress-code for the interviews, further enhancing the focus on appearance:
https://www.inflightcrewjobs.com/dresscode
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/e9ffd5_94d2cc8f870545069c5141767c341d93~mv2.jpeg/v1/fill/w_985,h_587,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/Imagemale.jpeg
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/e9ffd5_7efebab1e8584ff88b6cf9b25ef8f56f~mv2.jpeg/v1/fill/w_985,h_587,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/Image.jpeg
> All I read in job interview articles is how to please the company, never how to check if the company people are sane
The standard evasion for that is that they are part of a "different culture" and that we shouldn't impose our values on them. I had found a video about how companies profit from that type of excuse, but I cannot remember where it is. I may post it later.
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Cchristina | 2023-01-08 18:06:16 UTC | #67
Air hostess jobs do have appearance requirements, however the candidates shouldn't need to strip.
The uniform shown fully covers the parts that were stripped.
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jlt | 2023-01-08 18:59:09 UTC | #68
[quote="JethOrensin, post:66, topic:46005"]
> Ability to swim unaided
Why is that needed for an airplane?
[/quote]
In case of emergency, the plane could land on the sea, and flight attendants need to provide assistance to passengers.
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JethOrensin | 2023-01-08 20:35:15 UTC | #69
[quote="Cchristina, post:67, topic:46005"]
Air hostess jobs do have appearance requirements, however the candidates shouldn’t need to strip.
[/quote]
No argument there, I just found the information.
[quote="Cchristina, post:67, topic:46005"]
The uniform shown fully covers the parts that were stripped.
[/quote]
Quite so. They might have a shot at a legal case, since the company itself provides such images and dress code directives that explicitly specify the appearance of the candidates.
[quote="jlt, post:68, topic:46005"]
and flight attendants need to provide assistance to passengers.
[/quote]
Good point. It didn't occur to me because, by my thinking, crashing into the water is usually fatal so, I'd hardly complain that a flight attendant failed to assist me. However, now that you mentioned it I did check and the statistics say that waterings (not a real word, but you cannot land on water, right?) seem to have a very high rate of survival. That's a nice new thing to know :)
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Gia | 2023-01-08 21:01:41 UTC | #70
https://news.yahoo.com/tension-vatican-revealed-top-aide-185349676.html
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Gia | 2023-01-10 22:15:47 UTC | #71
https://jezebel.com/world-renowned-restaurant-noma-closes-as-workers-speak-1849967312
"He claims that Noma isn’t shutting down due to costs, but just in October of this year the business added $50,000 to its monthly labor costs when it started paying its interns. I guess they had just been there for the love of shaping fruit leather into beetles?"
(yes I could have posted the original source but I like the comments here)
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Gia | 2023-01-10 22:30:16 UTC | #72
https://greekcitytimes.com/2023/01/11/constantine-the-former-and-last-king-of-greece-has-died-at-age-82-doctors-announce/
I hope no uneducated journalists call his spawn "prince of Greece" again in the news cycle.
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Cchristina | 2023-01-11 08:32:03 UTC | #73
There will be a lot of gossip with the will.
The British relatives are interested.
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JethOrensin | 2023-01-11 10:39:30 UTC | #74
[quote="Gia, post:72, topic:46005"]
his spawn “prince of Greece” again in the news cycle.
[/quote]
Yeah, we already have enough rulling families in Greece, we do not need another one added to them :rofl:
As one of them said in an event here, after he had chilled down amongst us yokels and there were no media around "hey, I've got four kids, so yeah ... you'll be hearing my surname for a loooong long time"
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square_fuseki | 2023-01-11 19:56:44 UTC | #75
chess, Go, now that:
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https://twitter.com/WilliamAEden/status/1610795342018248705

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[https://twitter.com/MuniFinanceGuy/status/1611573893483102209](https://twitter.com/MuniFinanceGuy/status/1611573893483102209)

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teapoweredrobot | 2023-01-11 20:14:49 UTC | #76
Is this on topic for "things change and they don't change back"? Even if it's just politicians playing to the gallery
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-64235854
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square_fuseki | 2023-01-11 20:01:12 UTC | #77
https://news.mit.edu/2023/roman-concrete-durability-lime-casts-0106
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Gia | 2023-01-11 20:03:28 UTC | #78
Yeah, imagine going down the road that they will eventually have to give every stolen item back. The horror.
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teapoweredrobot | 2023-01-11 20:09:47 UTC | #79
Which is exactly what she said it seems:
"It would "open the gateway to the question of the entire contents of our museums", she said."
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Allerleirauh | 2023-01-12 05:12:27 UTC | #80
Hecking Cho Chikun doing sabaki with white stones

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JethOrensin | 2023-01-12 09:34:01 UTC | #81
interesting: https://www.fastcompany.com/90831693/sony-will-help-you-feel-like-astronaut-with-new-space-camera
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Gia | 2023-01-12 13:45:49 UTC | #82
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-64210289
It's really hard to feel sorry for Logan Paul's crypto victims.
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Allerleirauh | 2023-01-12 17:00:56 UTC | #83
There's sumo going on right now. I recommend this match between Tamawashi and Takakeisho. Not for the fight itself but preparation for it. So much psychology.
https://youtu.be/8qv3WAG7SR0
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Gia | 2023-01-12 20:35:35 UTC | #84
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2023/1/elon-musk-suffers-worst-loss-of-fortune-in-history-amid-market-madness-731988
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JethOrensin | 2023-01-12 21:35:12 UTC | #85
He'll soon break his own record. Tesla's stock is the biggest and most obvious bubble of the decade. Even now Tesla's stock is worth 10x of Ford's stock and 4x the stock of GeneralMotors. :sweat_smile:
So:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA8K5QBoyzw
Elon on the vocals :P
On more down to earth news, this tutorial was published today by one of the best channels of the kind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcj3uhy0NHw
Good luck to everyone that will give it a shot. I'll definitely try it.
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shinuito | 2023-01-12 22:29:42 UTC | #86
[quote="teapoweredrobot, post:76, topic:46005"]
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-64235854
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https://youtu.be/x73PkUvArJY
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Allerleirauh | 2023-01-12 23:21:33 UTC | #87
Amended Niemann complaint [old](https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.moed.198608/gov.uscourts.moed.198608.1.0.pdf) [new](https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.moed.198608/gov.uscourts.moed.198608.75.0.pdf)
I ran it through comparison website, here's changes highlighted https://beige-alys-26.tiiny.site
But let's list big ones here.
[details="Summary"]
> For example, despite Carlsen’s obsession with his FIDE ranking and unbeaten streaks, Chess.com’s own statistics reveal that he has lost at least 40 online chess games on Chess.com in the past month alone.
> For example, despite Carlsen’s obsession with his FIDE ranking and unbeaten streaks, Chess.com’s own statistics reveal that he has lost 20% of his online chess games on Chess.com in the past month alone.
> v. Chess.com Streamer Hikaru Nakamura
> v. Chess.com Streamer Hikaru Nakamura and His History of Abusing His Influence with Chess.com to Blacklist Competitors
> 60. In 2016, Nakamura baselessly accused fellow Grandmaster Akshat Chandra of
> cheating against him during an over the board game at the U.S. Chess Championship. Shortly thereafter, Rensch suddenly informed Chandra that he was banned from Chess.com for allegedly cheating online years earlier when he was only 15. When Chandra denied the accusations, Rensch threatened to make the ban permanent and to also ban Chandra from the ProChessLeague operated by Chess.com, unless Chandra confessed to cheating. As Chandra later commented in a lengthy portrayal of the controversy, “This appears to be a witch hunt which took Chess.com back 3 years to find something and ban me from the site” (https://akshatchandra.com/locked-from-chess-com). As Chandra explained, when he refused to capitulate and confess, Chess.com’s ban continued.
> 61. Nakamura also had an acrimonious relationship with Canadian Grandmaster Eric
> Hansen, which led to a fist fight between them in or around 2018. As part of a personal vendetta, Nakamura abused his influence over Chess.com to revoke Hansen’s invitation to be a commentator in Chess.com tournaments known as “PogChamps.”
> 84. Carlsen knew perfectly well that Niemann did not cheat against him. As the highest-ranked chess player in the world, Carlsen knows full well when he has played a game of chess poorly.
> 100. In doing so, Chess.com breached the agreement that it had previously entered into with Niemann to play at the Chess.com Global Championship, Chess.com’s largest tournament, for which Niemann had qualified in a round of “play-in” games. Pursuant to this agreement, Niemann was to receive a guaranteed prize of between $5,000 and $200,000.
> 101. Notably, Chess.com banned Niemann before Niemann made any statements regarding his past use of chess engines in games he played on Chess.com when he was 12 and 16 years old, demonstrating that, contrary to Chess.com’s revisionist history, Chess.com’s decision to ban Niemann had absolutely nothing to do with Niemann’s public statements.
> 114. Moreover, on or about September 23, 2022, evidently unsatisfied with his scripted corporate statement, Rensch engaged in an expletive-filled rant in an interview with The Guardian, during which he made clear that he and Chess.com were accusing Niemann of cheating against Carlsen at the Sinquefield Cup. As The Guardian reported, Rensch stated: “Once in a while anomalies do happen. But if you have a lot of smoke, a lot of evidence, and a lot of reason to believe in the DNA of who someone is, and you walk into the room and they just say, ‘I just lifted that fridge with one arm’, you’re like, ‘Fu\*\*ing bullsh\*t, motherf\*\*\*er.’” He followed, “I’m not going on the record on anything that I think about the over-the-board scandal with Hans or Magnus, but you can imply what you want based on what I’m saying.”
> 115. Rensch and Chess.com’s additional false accusations had the intended effect of further fanning the flames of Carlsen’s initial defamatory accusations that Niemann cheated against him “over the board” at the Sinquefield Cup.
> 119. For its part, Play Magnus posted the following defamatory meme on Twitter, which portrays Niemann as the villain from a movie and reiterates Carlsen’s accusation that Niemann had to cheat in order to beat Carlsen: (picture)
> 120. Then, during a livestream on Play Magnus’s YouTube channel on September 19, 2022, Play Magnus commentator and chess International Master Lawrence Trent told Play Magnus commentator Tania Sachdev, in response to Carlsen’s cheating allegations against Niemann, that “I am not going to reveal what I’ve seen” but “I’ve seen things that were previously unavailable to me” and “Magnus’s side is much more credible from what I have seen.” In making this statement, Play Magnus, through Lawrence Trent, falsely represented to the public that he and Carlsen possess private and undisclosed facts indicating that Niemann cheated at the Sinquefield Cup when they do not.
> F. Carlsen Continues His Defamatory Campaign Against Niemann Behind the Scenes, Making More Defamatory Statements
> 121. Despite the immediate damage that Defendants caused Niemann by their defamatory statements set forth above, Carlsen evidently believed that Niemann still had not been punished enough for defeating and disrespecting him at the Sinquefield Cup.
> 122. Accordingly, to ensure that he inflicted the maximum possible damage to Niemann and his career, Carlsen, in the days and weeks that followed the Sinquefield Cup, deployed a more covert defamatory campaign against Niemann, designed to bolster Carlsen’s more high-profile defamatory accusations within the chess community, specifically.
> 123. For example, in yet another malicious lie, in approximately September 2022, Carlsen verbally told other prominent chess players, including Norwegian grandmaster Aryan Tari, that Niemann cheated against him at the Sinquefield Cup, and that he received from Chess.com definitive proof of Niemann cheating “over the board.”
> 124. In addition to being knowingly false when made, the fact that Carlsen cited Chess.com as the source of this information is further evidence that Defendants’ simultaneous actions were part of a coordinated scheme, rather than mere parallel conduct.
> 125. In Carlsen’s malicious defamatory campaign against Niemann, Carlsen went as far as paying Aryan Tari €300 to scream “Ukse Hans,” Norwegian for “Cheater Hans,” from the stands at the closing ceremony of the European Club Cup on October 9, 2022, which was attended by many of the world’s most prominent chess players and heard by many of its fans.
> 126. Shortly thereafter, the entire Norwegian chess team, including Carlsen, were observed publicly chanting “Ukse Hans” in bars and the streets of the Austrian town where the European Club Cup was held. Any reasonable listener of these statements would interpret them as reiterating Carlsen’s false accusation that Niemann cheated when he defeated Carlsen at the Sinquefield Cup.
> 140. Carlsen’s invocation of Dlugy to further defame Niemann adds to the significant evidence that Carlsen actively conspired and coordinated with Chess.com to harm Niemann’s reputation and blacklist Niemann from professional chess. As Chess.com later revealed, the source of the suspicion surrounding Dlugy was a series of confidential interactions that Dlugy had with Chess.com in 2017. The only way Carlsen could have known about these confidential interactions is if Chess.com privately disclosed them to Carlsen before they were published in media articles at the end of September 2022, as discussed below.
> 141. Approximately one week after the tournament, Richard Kahn, a known affiliate of Play Magnus and former lawyer at Latham & Watkins, Chess.com’s attorneys in this action, reached out to Dlugy, fishing for information about Niemann’s past that could be used against Niemann, but found nothing.
> In addition to Rensch’s prior admission, the Defamatory Report’s accusations that Niemann cheated in games while streaming are demonstrably false because Niemann’s face and computer screen were clearly visible in real time during those games, and plainly show that he was not cheating.
> 174. Further evidencing that the Defamatory Report was intentionally false and misleading is its absurd claim that Niemann cheated in games where he lost or played so poorly that no reasonable person with knowledge of chess could possibly conclude that he cheated.
> 175. The reality is that not even Chess.com believes Niemann cheated in all of the 100+ online games listed in the Defamatory Report. Rather, the Defamatory Report was designed with the malicious intent of demolishing Niemann’s career and reputation to protect Chess.com’s soonto-be-acquired asset, Play Magnus.
> Chess.com knows full well that this accusation is false, as demonstrated by the fact that Chess.com claims it was not fully aware of the extent of Niemann’s supposed cheating until after it recently conducted a “deeper dive” into the data relating to his online chess games following Carlsen’s accusations. Niemann could not have “confessed” in 2020 to cheating in games that Chess.com only claims to have learned about in 2022.
> Likewise, chess Grandmaster Teimour Radjabov has been repeatedly boycotted by players for allegedly cheating, and Rensch has claimed that Chess.com algorithms confirmed that he cheated. Yet, to this day, Radjabov is allowed to compete in prize-money events on Chess.com, including the Global Chess Championship from which Niemann was uninvited.
> 185. Equally false is Chess.com’s recent statement to the New York Times, reported in an article dated December 4, 2022, claiming that it wanted to keep its findings private but had to “defend [them]selves” after Niemann went public about his use of a chess engine in a handful of recreational games when he was a child. As set forth above, Niemann’s public statements were a direct response to the false accusations leveled by Nakamura, Chess.com’s top streaming partner, claiming that Niemann was banned twice on Chess.com for cheating and that Niemann was a rampant online cheater.
> 186. As chess Grandmaster Ben Finegold put in a statement to the New York Times, “It just seems like they want to back up what Magnus is saying for business reasons.” Chess.com published the Defamatory Report, Finegold and other critics say, “to protect its recent $82 million investment in Play Magnus, which is very closely tied to Carlsen’s personal reputation and success.” “There’s no evidence in the report that Hans cheated recently, so it’s very strange,” said Finegold. Putting to rest any notion that Finegold might be biased in favor of Niemann, Finegold made clear that “I really don’t like Hans at all, and I’ve not liked him for a long time.”
> 187. Moreover, Nakamura, who has repeatedly admitted to having access to inside information from Chess.com, was obviously parroting the so-called “findings” in the Defamatory Report, which, according to Chess.com, had yet to be released to the public. To the contrary, however, Chess.com’s number one streaming partner was widely disseminating this “inside” information before Niemann had spoken on the subject at all. Similarly, before Niemann’s public statements, Chess.com also leaked this information to Carlsen, as is evident from Carlsen’s reference to Chess.com’s so-called “evidence” of Niemann’s cheating when Carlsen defamed Niemann to chess Grandmaster Aryan Tari.
> 188. In the Defamatory Report, Chess.com does not even deny that its decision to ban Niemann from Chess.com was not based on their allegations of online cheating, stating, “We uninvited Hans from our upcoming major online event and revoked his access to our site based on our experience with him in the past, growing suspicions among top players and our team about his rapid rise of play, the strange circumstances and explanations of his win over Magnus, as well as Magnus’ unprecedented withdrawal.”
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[quote="JethOrensin, post:2869, topic:40518"]
going online and saying stuff without proof, **might** land you in court filling
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Better put "with or without proof", isn't it.
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Gia | 2023-01-13 00:04:54 UTC | #88
[quote="Allerleirauh, post:87, topic:46005"]
Carlsen went as far as paying Aryan Tari €300 to scream “Ukse Hans,” Norwegian for “Cheater Hans,”
[/quote]
If that's true, that's the pettiest s*it in there. Also, when your name is recognizable, at least get rented for more than 300 bucks 🙄.
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Cchristina | 2023-01-14 10:50:04 UTC | #90
We prepared for the Skynet robots, we prepared for the mutant zombies, we prepared for interstellar nuclear war with aliens, but we failed to prepare for the *Cows' Apocalypse*.
The Earth's Future begins [here.](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/07/watch-field-cows-herd-criminal-run-arms-police/)
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Allerleirauh | 2023-01-14 14:55:19 UTC | #91
Igo RPG is in fact released.

https://game.nicovideo.jp/atsumaru/games/gm23799
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Allerleirauh | 2023-01-14 16:06:11 UTC | #92
Today smallish Midorifuji fought biggish Takakeisho. They slap each other that it kinda looks like weird boxing.
https://youtu.be/ItyqO-t6Hl4
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GreenAsJade | 2023-01-14 22:49:40 UTC | #93
What would happen if a "westernly version of a fit hulking muscular person" took on a champion Japanese Sumo wrestler, within the Sumo rules?
Also, what are the sweepers sweeping?
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ArsenLapin1 | 2023-01-15 16:54:20 UTC | #94
[quote="GreenAsJade, post:93, topic:46005"]
What would happen if a “westernly version of a fit hulking muscular person” took on a champion Japanese Sumo wrestler, within the Sumo rules?
[/quote]
The West decides that the Japanese Sumo rules are illogical and only worked because they relied on Sumo wrestlers respecting tradition. Eventually the West comes up with two new sets of rules, the American rules and the European rules, both much more simple and streamlined than the Japanese rules, and the only difference between the two sets of rules is that the European rules have Positional Supertackling whereas the American rules have Situational Supertackling.
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Allerleirauh | 2023-01-15 19:40:31 UTC | #95
Within sumo rules sumo wrestler wins, of course. There're some youtube videos of ripped bloggers training with sumo people, but they're silly and hard to watch.
[quote="GreenAsJade, post:93, topic:46005"]
Also, what are the sweepers sweeping?
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Dirt around the ring. Japanese like to keep everything clean. I guess the practical purpose is that any step outside of the ring disturbs the dirt and leaves tracks so it might help determining the outcome. Don't have any links but I remember one wrestler saving himself at the very very edge of the ring. But referee noticed that he left a mark on the dirt outside and stopped the match.
Sumo wrestlers are very adept at dancing on these bales. Not uncommon to see them standing on them with the front of the foot and heel hanging outside but not touching the ground so they're still "in". Kinda like this.

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Today Takakeisho entertained us with prolonged and bloody fight.
https://youtu.be/VOTAi6YVuMw
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Gia | 2023-01-15 20:03:21 UTC | #96
Reality trumps imagination, I'll die on that hill.

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Conrad_Melville | 2023-01-16 05:20:00 UTC | #97
When a critic called Luigi Pirandello's great novel *The Late Mattia Pascal* unbelievable, he defended himself with a splendid essay, "A Warning on the Scruples of the Imagination," which showed that the plot had actually happened some years later in real life. He observed that "life, happily filled with shameless absurdities, has the rare privilege of being able to ignore credibility, whereas art feels called upon to pay attention to it."
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JethOrensin | 2023-01-17 11:26:10 UTC | #98
Roger is back for our money ... now there's something that doesn't ever change. :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGgK41TRb-g
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Allerleirauh | 2023-01-17 17:09:50 UTC | #99
Today in sumo Enho got his arm caught. Doesn't look especially comfortable. His arms must be really flexible.

https://youtu.be/TMYx3_TSLJQ
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yebellz | 2023-01-18 03:07:10 UTC | #100
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-64312309
https://techcrunch.com/2023/01/17/twitter-office-furniture-auction/
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trohde | 2023-01-18 03:30:52 UTC | #101
I was shaking my head about humanimal interaction (which, in the end, results in the state of the world) a lot recently, and shuddering with horror.
And to avoid tearing off my clothes, smearing mud all over my naked body, and running to the market place while screaming “**AARGH!**” but *still* get rid of some pressure, I played around again a little with DALL•E …
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Me to DALL•E:
> a madman, saying that he is not mad
DALL•E:

Link: https://labs.openai.com/sc/PxLZCWwzYPKKwO8YfJD1qGLZ
😜
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The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad.
– Salvador Dalí
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JethOrensin | 2023-01-18 15:21:02 UTC | #102
100% true to the title of the topic, this VHS video was taken **today** (look at the date) and was sent to the local news group on facebook. How? and more importantly, "why?" :rofl:

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Gia | 2023-01-18 16:44:31 UTC | #103
https://en.as.com/soccer/dino-baggio-on-viallis-death-there-was-doping-im-scared-n/
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