2025: Let's try again

It is a case-by-case issue, but in the case of PFAS, I think that it was the producers that actively hid the consequences of those chemicals from the politicians and the consumers.

If the producer knows that there is a problem and hides it and advertises a safe and clean product that will solve a consumer problem, then the consumers will buy it and it will not be their fault.

This issue has been explored before in this topic, according to the OGS reminder that I have posted this link again:

Another example is the case of my olive tree. There is no company involved there, but the state and the mayor recently reassured the public that “the water is 100% safe, look at this paperwork huehuehue”. It is not the fault of the citizens that they believe that. Not everyone happens to have an olive tree next to a leaking water main pipe.

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To some extent, yes. But you know that producers can’t be trusted fully, right? I know it too. Some responsibility always lies with te consumers.

Exactly, that’s why their fraud is their ethical and legal responsibility.

I agree with the idea, I just disagree with the “always” part… there are cases where the public is actively misled, by official data. Yes, everyone should have a healthy suspicion/disbelief towards anything they hear and any data they come across, but when you are being scammed, then there are cases where the responsibility lies totally to the scammers.

For example, on one hand most crypto are a scam and if you put your money there, then there is a healthy part of the responsibility on you, for taking that short of risk. In that case when the rag is pulled, I am totally on your side and I am not even feeling sorry for the people that lost their money.

On the other hand, when your own country’s national health services ensures you that “you should drink this, it is safe” or “you should eat this, it is safe” and it isn’t, then the public got scammed and has no responsibility. This is exactly why in such cases when eventually the problem is found out when eventually someone gets severely ill, there are lawsuits and they are always ruled in favour of the scammed citizens.

Here is one such case:

Our mayor actively hid the official paperwork that warned the citizens that the water was not potable, and he claimed otherwise to the citizens. That might have slid past them, however a 23 day old baby got sick by that water, as you will read in the article if you put it in a translator and the whole thing got into the surface. By your logic the parents of the infant have “some responsibility”, but they really do not. They were told that the water was fine and the mayor hid the official paperwork that said otherwise. There is no court on any country that would attribute even a shred of fault to the parents.

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I think we only disagree in choice of words :sweat_smile:

always, responsibility vs guilt

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The vocabulary is often unclear. There are so many questions that might be implied but unstated, and the words do not make it clear:

  • Who did how much knowingly wrong?
  • Who made mistakes?
  • Who, if anyone, should be punished?
  • Who should pay / make amends, and how much?
  • How can the situation be fixed, by whom?
  • How should each person behave in future?

When questions are confused, misunderstanding ensues.

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What a great idea! :smiley:

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There’s not much Americans on different sides of the isle agree upon these days, so it’s nice to see them in such firm agreement over the innocence of turkeys.

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Why is it people suddenly have so many things to buy when Black Friday comes?

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Well, you have to consider that it’s strategically close to Christmas.

Plus, purchases that have bene delayed until Black Friday sales. Plus, hoarding syndrome.

At least, these are my reasons. :smiling_face_with_tear:

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That meme is so true in many cases…
In the only mobile game I play, they had a “Black Friday super sale” of the game’s “in game currency” which has the very imaginative name “gems”.

So, the “super sale” was 500 gems for 2.99 Euros.

However, they forgot to amend their year round sales though which are recurring week after week depending on the maps that are are active and in that event the “normal sale” was… 600 gems for 2.99 euros. :rofl:

Very embarrassing… imagine having your own 100% managed marketplace on a 100% made up in game currency and still getting the prices wrong.

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Yeah black Friday is the opportunity to rise the prices for Christmas.

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Whoa, is there anything bad about that 6-7 dance (except perhaps being infantile)?

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And I still don’t understand what 6-7 means.

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I assume it means the Creator made the world in six days and rested on the seventh.

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I thought it means the person likes to play on the 6-7 point, which is a unique starting move!

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It’s just an absurd meme that has no clear meaning. The wikipedia article provides some history:

The meme is generally considered inoffensive, just absurd, but it’s considered an issue in some schools, since sometimes students overdo it disruptively, which has resulted in blanket bans.

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Thanks for the explanation

But don’t they understand that such bans are bound not only to be ineffective with kids but probably rather reinforce their obsession with such behaviour?