Yeah - there is some potential for this actually.
I say this because the Community Moderation system could be set up to handle this kind of thing.
But as you’ve pointed out you are a beginner. You are perhaps not confronted with game-scenarios that cause an auto-mis-score to happen.
To be honest I personally don’t have data on this.
It’s something that could usefully be properly investigated and documented.
The colloquial experience of you or I is not really sufficient.
I watched many games between dan ranked players and never saw this problem arise there either.
And yes, scoring of lower rank games by higher ranked players seems exactly a kind of thing for Community Moderation and it should create additional interaction between members and simply more activity.
I hope you can appreciate that “well, I’ve never had autoscore be wrong” is not particularly compelling justification for a fundamental rewrite of a core feature of the site that also creates a larger burden for ongoing human moderation.
That doesn’t mean it’s a bad idea. I think it would be an interesting research project to crunch the numbers on what percentage of games have a final score that is not autoscore and do not receive further mod intervention (i.e. annulment). But that would be the level of action item, rather than “this is trivially obvious, why haven’t you done it already?”
You know… From outside you exactly look like someone who bullies someone to get your point across. Like his suggestion and my suggestion isn’t that far off, but you didn’t ask me “what happens if one players clicks accept on a non-auto score position but the other player clicked only accept auto-score and reject any other scores”? If you are really looking for a fair discussion why you hadn’t asked me but kept asking Shekes, in a sense bullying them? (part of the reason I think this is you never acknowledged they implied “and reject anything else”, and then ended up saying “we already have that”; I believe if you were in good faith I’d expect you to acknowledge it for me and Shekes, and either come up with a counter-point on why we shouldn’t have that or ask us how would it be beneficial, which you did neither)
And like the answer is obvious, if one player is only accepting the auto-score and nothing else, and other player is not accepting the auto-score, then the scoring is cancelled and the game continues? Like it happens in all score disputes?
And the benefit of that is you cannot accidentally accept a score you didn’t want. (in my case only for auto-score)
The reason I didn’t ask you is because (as I said) I didn’t trawl back over the thread.
I saw Shekes suggestion/proposal in the post I quoted, and followed it up.
Yes, this is not ideal behaviour on my part - we all think that everyone should read all our posts in detail and absorb them before responding.
Real life, in a forum, is not like that.
I really do appreciate you holding a mirror up to me:
It’s a shame that it comes across that way, but I’m at a loss how to do better, unless I “walk on eggshells” every time I post.
I appreciate that this could be paraphrased as “unless I take care to be considerate every time I post”, which is something I would aspire to, but there’s only so much a person can do 
I wonder if you are interested in how this feels from my perspective?
This insight would need me to explain my (voluntary - IE no one makes me do it 
) role here, which might sound self-serving or grandiose, which is why I hesitate.
Forum regulars know that I’m one of two people who contributes code in an ongoing way to OGS. It is a rare day when I am not doing something for OGS that is not “playing Go”.
I’m a fairly dedicated and passionate contributor (or so it feels to me)
This means that I try to keep up with all the input we’re getting, and have to read and accept every post that starts off with a complaint about the “dumb designers and developers” - that’s me - and “flaws and bugs” - that’s my work.
I’m actively involved in supporting moderation with moderation features, which means that I have to read vast quantities of rude complaints from the unpleasant side of our world that most users (thankfully) don’t get to see.
Despite best intents to be open minded, this does set a certain mind-set.
I need to skim threads to stay across them. I need to cut to the chase to find out what the actual problem is.
Otherwise I’d spend all day reading and no time doing and my head would explode trying to track all the tangents that forum discussions take.
And I do feel defensive when I perceive criticism, unduly so unfortunately.
For time to time people pull me up about this, and I try to take it on board.
But from my perspective there is no need to be so defensive about my comments. I’m not bullying or criticising intentionally, I’m trying to get to what is actionable for the best.
Not sure if this is any help at this point in the thread, but I would like to upvote the make both players accept automatic counting. It’s right almost all the time as far as I’ve seen it used. It would save a lot of headache and confusion. (except on those rare times it gets it wrong lol) I think other clients do this. BadukPop also auto scores I believe right?
@anoek has the auto-score gotten good enough?
I think counter-evidence is the flow of “autoscorer bug” tickets that CMs handle in “score cheating”, BUT I’m not aware what small % of games this really is.
BadukPop only offers autoscoring, yeah. It’s honestly a meme on Reddit — people anti-recommend BadukPop solely for that reason, even if they’ve personally never encountered a problem with it.
Which doesn’t particularly mean much for/against OGS’s autoscorer, I’d assume OGS’s is better, but I at least would not use “BadukPop only has autoscore” as a positive argument.
Can you expand on why you’re willing to give up the idea that “it’s the players’ responsibility to know if their stones are dead or alive”?
Up till now that’s been one of the arguments against forced-auto-score.
Means he doesn’t have to build a score agreement phase feature in his client
Is the basic situation for the second report that:
If that’s correct, then it does feel wrong that the website decided to pick the opponent’s suggested score as final, because they were the last person to update the board?
If the player has seen the only possible correct score and accepted it, it would be kind of nice if they were free to not engage the opponent in their unnecessary score updates, without it resulting in a disadvantage for the player.
That would be the case, if at the timeout of stone removal (if there is no agreement) we would end the game with either:
Rather than accepting the latest non-consensus update.
In that world, it would be have to be a reportable offence to refuse to click accept on a legitimate correct update from your opponent.
What is more likely, the auto score being wrong, or a 25k scoring wrong? 
One of the most popular questions I see around the internet is “How do I score this?” I really think the less things the user has to do the better.
Looking back maybe I was also a bit too agressive there, though tbh I also didnt have the best day and I get emotional easily when I feel like I get ignored. (And when I get emotional, I may end up not knowing where to stop)
Yeah.. sorry about that.
No. I don’t think you were aggressive at all. I absolutely did feel bullied and thought of writing it but decided in favour of several more specific terms like “twisting words”, “interrogating” etc instead, which IMO amounts to bullying. And that by two members of OGS team…
So thank you!
GreenAsJade’s response about them being all helpful kind and fluffy is cute, but sounds disingenuous to me.
From the very start, except for the link, they weren’t helpful but passive aggressive implying me being too slow and blowing up a non issue.
This week-old quote of mine is in essence the same proposition you’ve made, but they just ignored it and the accused ME of not knowing what a discussion was estate it…
praising it when I reworded it…
So their response to you is polemic in defence of their (and I mean at least 4 users in this thread by now) position, rather then a genuine human response.
And they keep ignoring what is actually the main and decisive point here, that I have restated several times as well:
The instances of abuse of the scoring-by-player function appear to outnumber its intended use and hence the function is chiefly nuisance to users.
Furthermore:
In the rare instance of auto-scoring being wrong, it is near equally probable to go in favour of either player. Therefore, ultimately/longterm nobody loses nor gains from the few mistakes the system makes.
The opposite is true for the abuse: the cheaters end up gaining from misuse of the scoring-by-players function even when their cheating is reported. The games are annulled and don’t count as losses for them or wins for the “honest” players.
While it is true that I do not have the entire statistics I bet that the bottom line of this function is negative.
AND: I haven’t even suggested to abandon the function but only that there should be a choice foe me not to get cheated. That’s in the quote above.
We can select in the settings which size board and time we prefer, handycap, komi etc. Why not add “autoscore only” there? That is not some “challenging project” BS. It’s easy to do.
Finally, if instead of ganging up on me and bullying me. The had asked… I have a few better ideas still.
Think about it: at the heart of the issue with scoring-by-players lies trust and trustworthiness.
And that is what they should be thinking about.
We have the “Undo” request function that is voluntary. We have the “block” player function” etc.
Why not:
I would suggest 3 kinds of games:
Whether or not one “trust” the opponent and which kind of game is selected could be decided in the settings of the games and also through the “friend” function - just like in real life, where I would leave the game to go to the kithche to get myself a glass of whatever not fearing that my friend would mess with the board, one could “trust” friends here; plus one can still replay the game.
I have a bunch more ideas how the experience on OGS could be improved. This is just a bone for them. Let’s see if they appreciate it.
How do you know this?
Another minion of OGS of the Flies?
Welcome!
I’ll explain. You see: Outside of OGS and outside of go there is a big world out there.
So no just on OGS, but in general, for something to appear to you, you only need to observe.
You are an incredibly rude individual. It’s very hypocritical to carry on about other people being mean to you, only to immediately be sarcastic and condescending to others. I don’t think I’ve ever even had an interaction with you before that would justify a response like that, and I certainly don’t think the comment I just made justifies it.
I think you seem to see malice where there is none, but, assuming other people really are being rude to you, perhaps if you treat people the way you wish to be treated you might find that they will be a bit more friendly.
Your personal experience doesn’t necessarily say anything about the broader trends. I was just asking where you got the information from.
Yes I am being sarcastic. I am glad you caught that part. Not all is lost.
I’ll try to explain again:
You made no effort to understand what I’ve written and asked me the saaaame laaame question that was asked a dozen of times in this thread.
Goat it is annoying… 
I wrote A P P E A R and that I don’t know the actual statistics.
Think about that!
Question you actual intentions and be honest! You can do better! You can BE better!
If you have no intention to actually understand what I have written and are only looking for some loophole, please leave me alone!
Or else pleaaaase do read my comments with the attention that I believe they deserve!
Respect my time and effort and I’ll be nice. I’d prefer that
I am not sure I see that much malice btw. That might even be refreshing.
What I see is a herd of nerdy spineless pessimistic minions who have no imagination and are attracted to this thread like flies because now it accumulated enough views and comments.
I see inertia
I see lack or respect
and finally now
I see stupidity.
Are we done?
Mea culpa, you are indeed a victim being bullied by the wretched hive of scum and villainy that is OGS. When looking for help, or raising an issue, more people should do it the way you do. In fact I think you should take control of the moderating and development team as well. If that happened we would finally have online go Nirvana.
I say this earnestly and without malice: when you write posts like this, are you actually intending to convince anyone who disagrees with you that they should listen to what you have to say?