19x19 Global Ladder : soon 3000 players

But why would anyone even want to leave the 19x19 sitewide ladder? :thinking:

Says the guy who was once on the ladder and has since left :sweat_smile:

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Hum. On my ladder page I see a button with the option “Drop out from ladder”. Is not this working?
[edited] : Well, looking at the thread you point to, it does not seem to… But people stuck on the ladder against their will should slowly drift to the bottom if they don’t answer to challenges, right?

Like Sisyphus, you might want to start again from the bottom once in a while, when you don’t progress anymore. I did that once, it took me about six months to get back to the top 200. That was fun, I’ll do it again soon I guess, if I can, that is …

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As far as I’m allowed (to) admit? :grin:

Right.
Veeeeeeeery slowly. :smile:

I did it too. It’s my second time.
Last time I was able to climb more steps. I went to the top 50 if I recall correctly.
Now I struggle to stay in the top 100.

He’s onto us :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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There are over 3,500 players in the ladder now.

The highest SDK is daoducvuminh 3k, at #14.
The highest DDK is MicrMacr 11k, at #107.

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I mean now that the timeouts are fixed I kind of expect it to finally start going back down, assuming everyone hasn’t just modified their behaviour to only challenge people that are active.

That is either only challenge people with ongoing games or actually checking if the player has played a game in recent months.

Not sure I understand. The other way round, if you want a quick and dirty way up, challenge players who have not been active lately, and likely to time out. The excuse for such a behaviour is that you clean the ladder from inactive players. :innocent:.

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There used to be a bug where losing by timeout wouldn’t drop you or promote your opponent.

Yes I knew that, I’d stumbled upon such cases. What I don’t understand is the way it can impact some players’ behaviour. Depends if you want to climb up by all means, or play interesting games. That’s why I proposed a different strategy.

You proposed targeting people you suspect will timeout. I explained why this behaviour would be trained out of people, as timeouts were not rewarding ladder rank promotions during the bug.

Due to this, users would be trained to only target active users, who are less likely to timeout, and thus promotion is possible.

OK, I see. The behaviour you mention is an old one, not a new one based on the bug correction. That’s why we talked passed each other.

BTW when did this correction happen? I just had my son on the phone, who is also on the ladder, who told me that he had a case not long ago (like a week) where his challenged player was Black and timed out before the first move, and the game was just cancelled. Is that still the case?

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The game being cancelled is correct behaviour for any ranked game with <2 moves.

The key identifiers (which should no longer be happening, I forget for how long now) are that the loser would stay on the ladder and that the winner would not change rank position.

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OK I did not know this rule, thanks. So even if the challenger is Black and plays first move, if White ignores the challenge altogether the game is cancelled. Fair enough, but in that case, the strategy I propose to clean the ladder from inactive players does not work. :smirk:

Cancellation only has regard to whether the game counts towards rating points or not. Losing by timeout should drop a user from the ladder, whether the game was cancelled or not.

Ha! Very subtle rules indeed. I wonder how many ladder players are aware of all this (now I am, but it took me to jump in this discussion).

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So, if I get it correctly, if a player challenged on the ladder times out before his first move, the game is cancelled hence not counted for the rating, but he is kicked from the ladder altogether, and the challenger takes his place. Correct?

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Correct, unless of course the challenger had already overtaken them, then only the kick happens.

Actually this jumping really far up the ladder from a timeout kind of annoyed me. I kind of wanted a win to propel me up half the ladder not a timeout with 0 moves. So I’ve stubbornly been challenging pretty much everyone one space above me cleaning out the inactive players.

I still get the odd game, and one also gets games where the opponent just cancels rather than plays. It doesn’t count for rating and it doesn’t drop them out of the ladder, but you do move to their spot in the ladder, similar to a win/timeout would.

I might just drop out and start again properly from the bottom at some point, and try to get to top with wins. I guess though timeouts are inevitable in correspondence though.

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If you’re sad not to be able to be in the top 100, and don’t mind playing reasonably quickly, please join the Fast Correspondence 19x19 Ladder !

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