2022: HOLD MY TEA! šŸµ

Exactly, and look how far we’ve gone :slight_smile:
I’ll agree that in the ā€œmillions of year of evolutionā€ case you would be quite correct, but who knows how many centuries it would really take us - or some other species - to get that far technologically.

Whichever the case might be, let’s just say that if they exist and they do visit, we would be more than happy if they’d be in the mood for tabletop games.

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More than likely

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Could be worse, they could sell Earth as an NFT (with some 1.3 thousand Sun-sized stars needed to go supernova for the proof-of-work to complete the transaction). Just sayin’.

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They play a go variant, where the sun, our planets and other stars are the stones :slight_smile:

Definitely don’t want to play against the black hole opening.

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Don’t mean to be a science-fiction killjoy, but…

They don’t exist, because they have already annihilated themselves.

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I believe it’s called ā€œnormcoreā€

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Let’s hope not, because I’ve heard that the standard practice of some crypto-bros is to sell the NFT and then destroy the original :roll_eyes:

Well, we are still here, so that is by no means certain.

@Allerleirauh

As promised earlier. It took me a while to translate all this, but here it is about teachers and politicians:

It took me a bit longer than expected to translate it, but I think it was worth it :slight_smile:

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I’ll check it out.

Getting back to the literature. Anyone heard of Mikhail Veller? I’ve read him in school years but don’t remember why. Nowadays I listen to him sometimes, in his last video he blasted Russia classic literature, it’s pretty funny. Video is long but he basically says that it’s all negative ā€œeverything is bad and nothing could be doneā€, after reading it you wanna drown yourself. And then people wonder why school students don’t want to read it. His last fragment (a little tricky to translate):

Drop all this crap. Read good books that make you want to live, and life becomes easier to understand, and you can believe in human, and it’s easier to stand on your feet, you see, and life seems a little better. That obstacles can still be overcome, that there is someone to love and something to believe in, and something to hope for and something to overcome. Russian classics won’t give you shit, may God forgive me, my words are sacrilegious. Aesthetically, in terms of the stylistic mastery - plenty. But it gives nothing for your life. God forbid.

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It really depends on the perspective of things … I always thought that anything like this could be interpreted depending on how it is being looked it, by which perspective. As far as I am concerned the ā€œdoom and gloomā€ stories are much more didactive/educative than the ā€œlived happily ever afterā€ kind.

A happy ending is teaching you possibly about hope?
That is nice, but also could be teaching you about false hope and that everything will be fine in the end and that you are entitled to a ā€œhappy endingā€ … you can see a lot of people having that mentality and, let’s just say that it is not really for their own good, since they seem to believe that EVERY error they make is negligible, because ā€œthe best is yet to comeā€ … and that’s usually fine if you are in the process of working towards something. What happens to all the people that get where they wanted to be and still think that ā€œthe best is yet to comeā€ and scap all they have and chase the horizons? Never finding happiness or fulfillment in anything? That doesn’t sound good to me.

A lot of people would argue that this might be a good thing, but if that is so, why do we see depression rates breaking records and people all around us falling to bad habits like booze or heavy drug use? :thinking:

On the other hand the ā€œmeh, that happened, life goes onā€ stories, contain a good amount of hope (else there wouldn’t be any story, eh? :stuck_out_tongue: ), a good amount of ā€œhappy endingā€ (people survive - most of them anyway) and a good amount of disappointment, struggle and concessions, which, let’s face it, is something that real life contains quite a bit of. Arguably those kinds of stories prepare you more for reality than the ā€œhappyā€ ones.

Here is the translation of what someone else wrote under one of the songs of our most dark themed (yet successful) rock back, combined with the animation of a depressing Russian story about a mermaid. By the way, whoever combined those two works of art was a GENIUS: (the animation has no words, so you do not need to know Russian to watch it. It is awesome! :innocent: )

ā€œPain brings us face to face with our deepest fears. This band was never depressing. They might have not had the most happy rhythm musically, but their work was a gift of light. They tried every aspect of human feelings to be turned into light, even the wildest, darkest recesses of the soul. Their art alone, is lightā€

Quite the stark difference from that author though, eh? :slight_smile:
Come to think of it, even outside of those dudes, I can scarcely think even of ONE happy Greek rock song. Sounds good to me.

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Of course. But neither are aliens in the first place.

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There’s nothing special about Earth.

By that I mean we aren’t the centre of the universe, the location of Earth doesn’t stand out, there are many Earth-like planets, liquid water is likely to be common throughout the universe (there’s good reason to believe there was liquid water on Mars and Venus), and so on.

I liken our situation to that of a tribe living on an island. Even if there was an super advanced civilization that spread across their galaxy, intergalactic distances are so immense that communication, let alone detection, is essentially, theoretically, impossible. Unless there was some sort of star trek-like subspace or time travel plus the ability to travel millions of times faster than light, I don’t know of any even theoretical way to detect or communicate with another galaxy.

Also, Earth’s radio waves haven’t even made a dent in the milky way, so it’s not like anyone would know we’re here either.

Given the immense size of even just the observable universe, I would find it hard to believe that we are truly alone.

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I imagine that aliens living less than 1000 light years away from us could send robots to visit us every 1000 years, but might not want to interfere with our ecosystem.

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Veller is professional renown writer who has books on this topic so it’s not like I can accurately represent him. But I think it goes more like this.

It’s not about everything will be fine. It’s about that there’s something to fight for, something that makes it worth in the end. And despite all the hardships and failures you should try and overcome because something can be changed even if a little.

Compared to stories where all efforts where in vain, nothing really changed, there’s no point, and honestly you should just kill yourself.

You should inspire some confidence in youth. And instead we teach ā€œPoor Lizaā€ in schools all the while the author actually has other good works.

Well, as we know Russia is somewhere close to the top on suicide statistics, it’s so bad government banned mentioning edit:ā€œpromotingā€ suicide. Seems depressing classical literature is not very effective at preventing it.

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I’m not seeing that much about climate change on Youtube, but I am seeing a lot about it on news sites. Our minister of climate and energy is on the news a lot lately (at least on Dutch news).

Consent. It’s really a foreign concept to many. I often wonder if people realize.

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Some people have no concept of boundaries.

I’m early today. In the air there’re strong trails of mysterious smell. Something like burned trash, I guess. How do your mornings smell?


Meanwhile in Russia

What a great movie. Maybe a little old-fashioned but it has a cat as a character. These old animated movies have charm to them.