2022: HOLD MY TEA! đŸ”

Wow that’s a really cool looking statue - a lot of symbolism in it

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It’s a funny article. You can get Hikaru Nakamura’s readout of it. Some people just can’t stop cheating.

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Wow! Like teacher, like student, eh. When they said he ran a chess academy, was that a typo for a cheating academy?

(disclaimer: I did not finish watching the video. I got about 4/5 of the way to the end)

I’m sorry, but this is just, kind of, bad maths?

When Yosha starts multiplying probabilities of “these happening in a row”, it raises my math alarms. Mind you, I do not think this person is being maliciously misleading, but rather that she makes a technical mistake in her interpretation; a mistake that is actually very common amongst non mathematicians (and even among some mathematicians).

Well first, I’m not sure she’s multiplying “like” events. But that is not my main concern: In a nutshell, you can multiply any number of events and come up with a seemingly small number at the end, that is just how probabilities work.

Also, in my opinion, 1 in 70 thousand and something does not even remotely register as a unlikely event to me :person_shrugging:

The other concern is that this is a post-hoc argument. She chose that particular streak of tournaments because the numbers were high, but only after seeing the numbers. This is prone to misinterpret normal statistical anomalies. For example, if I were to toss a coin a thousand times, and you find an 8-streak of heads amongst those tosses, you cannot conclude that the tosses were unfair (quite the opposite, in fact).

The better method would be, for example to say: “Well, Hans was suspected of cheating in events X,Y and Z. Let’s compare those events against a control (maybe a random sample or something)”.

This is the analisys that I would have liked to see: use this very same metric to make a distribution plot of Hans’s games, along with those of other players (maybe Magnus himself included). Compare the shapes of those plots to see if there is something too unexplainable.

For example let’s say, for the sake of argument, that the plots follow a bell curve (don’t they always). If Hans’s plot were to have a spike near the farther end of the curve, that would be much more incriminating than any evidence shown by Yosha in this video, so far.

So, yeah, I do not know if Hans cheated or not. What I’ve seen so far just seems rather inconclusive.

This is the charitable interpretation. My not-so-charitable opinion about Magnus is that not only is he annoyed that he lost, but that he thinks it is impossible for himself to lose (against Hans). I find that much more insidious. Also, much more unlikely that he removes his own ego in that case.

Recently, he declined to defend his chess champion title on the basis that he had already defended the title with the same opponent before, and kind of deems him unworthy of playing against. So yeah, not great :grimacing:

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Huh?!

:roll_eyes:

Magnus honey, that’s not how it works.

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I tried to visualize a football team saying, “Oh, those guys? We beat them back in 1907, we’d rather stay home and watch Netflix this weekend”.
I failed.

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Yes, and at least the part about choosing the most suspicious streak was pointed out. And they talked about it in later video but kinda meh https://youtu.be/hFcSwSIw9nE?t=740

I mean, it is how it works. You don’t want to play so you don’t play. You aren’t obligated by god to play in all tournaments. Hou Yifan as far as I remember doesn’t play (or didn’t play at some point) in female world championship.

Geniuses are fickle beings.

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I think a bunch of people rejected that probably for a couple of reasons - 1) he already lost a game to Hans before though not the same time controls, where the “chess speaks for itself” quote came from in a post game interview, and 2) they were saying Magnus was already considering dropping out of the Sinquefield Cup when he heard Hans was being brought in as a last minute replacement - the idea being he already didn’t want to play Hans before the tournament, nothing about losing to him at that point.

Anyway I’m not sure what to think, I’ve just watched a lot of content on it recently.

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Heck, you cannot even say it for a period of two weeks:

Lots of “walks in the park” ended up with a suprise visit to the humble-pie emporium :stuck_out_tongue:

I can send you footage of the French national football team during the 2010 World Cup. They played the match, but collectively decided to “boycott training” before the match. Unsurprisingly, they lost.

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I blame y’all for my news suggestions. More chess :roll_eyes:.

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Also people who caught on the scandal but know nothing about chess are asking how can someone cheat in board games and I feel like it’s early 2020 again but now I’m the expert explaining about AI.

Oh, how the boards have turned


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Do they want a full list of all the possible ways?

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Nah, I’m trying to be helpful so they can understand the situation, not drop them into the endless void of dispair.

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Wow Ben Finegold seems wholesome, funny and smart.

FIDE created commission

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This is why journalism should never be a crime.

It’s fascinating how much politicians and government base their actions on popularity over actual expedience. I mean saying your going to spend all recourses possible to rescue one person, who wasn’t an employee but was investigating for personal fortune? Too look good to the population?

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“If you can’t control it, cut its internet connection”

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