Accidentally resigning while winning

Liked — but only because I think annulments should be reported to the players concerned.

Otherwise it seems to me that in your other posts you are getting rather aggressive and sarcastic, which seems unconstructive.

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I don’t understand why this case appears like that to you. OP was reported for sandbagging and a moderator saw evidence to support that claim and acted accordingly:

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I receive notifications when game has ended or timed out, but not when it is annuled, or why.
I’d like to receive notifications about it to avoid future problems. I have a game annuled after a few moves, without explanation. Is it my mistake? Is it a rank thing? Is it a rule I missed? Is it a bug? Did I play suspiciously? Did the other player do? What is the reason? I’d like an explanation when this happens.

Also, in most threads, there is a very clear feeling of suspecting everyone who doesn’t study enough or is experienced enough to play well,or at least to know when and how to quit. That’s why I prefer playing bots. :woman_shrugging:t3:

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My personal workflow is that, when I have reasons to think that person might indeed be a sandbagger, I look over all recent games (~100) and annull all of those that were resigned while the player was ahead. Even if it just was 5 points or so - I don’t even take a very close look. Because only after doing that I can judge if there were “many” games like that, and if annulling those games changes the players rank. If I don’t annull them, I have no idea how and if it would influence the rank, and that’s just the safest (and easiest, and fastest) way to do it.

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Annulment can only happen after the game is finished. Are you perhaps confusing game annulment (by a mod) with game cancelling (by your opponent)?

It says it was “timed out” and then “Game annuled”.
I don’t care about the win/loss and I was the weak opponent, anyway, but I want to know how it works, because, frankly, some forum posters are so strict about rules and regulations that I always feel uneasy when I play with humans.

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So you may well be annulling legit games.

I honestly don’t understand what the moderator team wants, when not even legit games are safe.

A game that ends after less than 6 moves is automatically annulled

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I see, thank you.
All this sandbagging talk gets me worried.

OK, so the game was not cancelled. Then most likely it was annulled for one of the reasons I stated earlier:

Probably someone reported your opponent for sandbagging, a moderator saw evidence to support this claim and annulled games where your opponent timed out or resigned while not behind (see the workflow description that @KAOSkonfused posted). Most likely your game just happened to be one of those games. So don’t take it personally.

As for the reasons why you were not informed about it and the reason for the annulment: avoiding naming and shaming is probably one reason, and another reason is probably that informing potentially dozens of opponents about the reason why their game was annulled would take a lot of time, negatively impacting the amount of work that moderators can get done.


Edit: Oh, that game has less than 6 moves, so my assumption that is was annulled for sandbagging by your opponent was wrong and the game was annulled by the system, not by a moderator. Still, the explanation I gave above probably still holds when you find one of your longer games annulled without notice.

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No, it’s actually simply as @jlt wrote:

Most annullments are such automatic ones.

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I feel bad that you had to spend time reviewing my stuff. I will play only unranked games from now, hopefully people won’t be annoyed and report me.

About the first game, gennan is correct, I made a mistake and thought it lost the lead, but I hadn’t counted and didn’t know how much of a lead I had. It was also just endgame left which isn’t interesting to me. That is part of the reason I make mistakes like this in the endgame: I don’t really pay attention anymore.

andysif vs. mart900 In this game I think I somehow thought I was in a ladder, and missed that black’s stone was in atari. I know there is no excuse for a SDK to miss that, but here we are :stuck_out_tongue:
EDIT: Actually this was more nuanced, I thought black could continue to ladder and I could never take the stone in atari because I would get squeezed. What I missed was that by taking the stone, I would put M5 in atari. So it’s not quite as embarrassing but still pretty bad.

mart900 vs. nonservium This one is also very silly, and correctly called by gennan again. I thought M8 next would capture my N12 group and simply missed that it had another liberty. I suppose I had read this out days before, but forgot.

Perhaps it helps to mention that I often spend very little time on my moves, so when I’m looking for a move and misjudge something to such an extent that the position looks lost, I will just press resign. Note that I play correspondence not because it gives me more time to think but because it allows me to play Go in between other things, without having to reserve time. I like the flexibility.

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Please don’t worry about that!
It does take time, but so does every report, and it also happens relatively often that people are reported for AI use or sandbagging and then it turns out they apparently didn’t do anything. :roll_eyes:

Btw, recently, I warned a person for accusing people of sandbagging in game chats - the accuser was 5k or so, and every other time they lost against another 5k they went like “now what’s your real rank??”. :joy:

(But not to give a wrong picture: the majority of reports are legit.)

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So, I’m sorry that I thought you were intentionally sandbagging; I just hope you can understand that it’s sometimes hard to judge in such a case.

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What’s your problem?

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Counting is not too hard or too time-consuming, I just don’t find it fun so I don’t do it. I would rather just move on to the next game. I think to some extent I am also trusting my opponents and perhaps projecting my own bad habits of resigning too early onto them. It’s endgame, they are still in the game, I just made a mistake, odds are I’m behind. And yeah, black looked small to me at first glance I suppose.

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That y’all just annul games secretly and like it’s nothing and let much more serious issues go unattended.

I was happy playing unranked, but after I got a little stronger mods started “joking” repeatedly that I was “unintentionally” “sandbagging” haha (I didn’t find it funny).

So I started playing ranked. But I don’t feel comfortable playing ranked on OGS, because I fundamentally disagree with the notion that, when it’s all said and done, the games are played by the mods for the algorithm.

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No worries I understand where you’re coming from completely and believe myself to be mostly at fault for the whole thing. You shouldn’t need to spend hours reviewing my case, I just need to not resign stupidly.

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It must be difficult to have such feelings of insecurity hampering your enjoyment of playing with human opponents. Please rest assured that the vast majority of go players and moderators won’t judge you harshly for “violating” some written or unwritten rule, especially when you’re a DDK player.

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Annulments by moderators get logged by the system. IIRC all moderators can see them, including the reason the acting moderator gave for the annulment (such as: misscore, score cheating, sandbagging, botting).

Of non-moderators, usually only the reporter and the reported get feedback from the moderator handling the report. As for why moderator annulments and their reasons are not spread more publicly and more widely, I suppose:

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