For the record: what the current denizens think:
[ 8:08]Eugene: So what would happen if we said “Right, you lot, take this conversation to #Off Topic, we want this channel to be about Go now”?
[ 8:08]FinrodFelagund: I was homeschooled, so I am baffled that they are bothering with schools until there’s a vaccine
[ 8:08]FinrodFelagund: Revolution. Cold steel and hot lead.
[ 8:08] Nabeshin : I would be sad because this channel would not have much discussion
[ 8:09]Eugene: (“we” in that case being you guys, or at least some of you)\
[ 8:09]Eugene: But #Off Topic would have the same?
[ 8:09] Nabeshin : Off topic would similarly not have much discussion because nobody goes in there
[ 8:09]FinrodFelagund: Seriously, I would also be sad, because the english community here would not feel the same.
[ 8:09]Eugene: Wouldn’t you all just move there?
[ 8:09] Nabeshin : People would just think nobody talks on OGS
[ 8:10]Shakes Fish At Sky: you cant force people to only talk about the proscribed subjects
[ 8:10]Shakes Fish At Sky: ffs
[ 8:10]Shakes Fish At Sky: this isnt china
[ 8:10]Eugene: Actually, you can
[ 8:10]FinrodFelagund: I personally equally enjoy go talk and general conversation.
[ 8:10]zone man: yes
[ 8:10] Nabeshin : Besides, I came here to get away from KGS-style draconian moderation tactics on main channels
[ 8:10]Shakes Fish At Sky: so do you think you should?
[ 8:10]zone man: please keep free speech
[ 8:10]zone man: lol this isnt china
[ 8:10]zone man: agreed
[ 8:10]Eugene: We can set the policy for conversations on OGS - we already do in fact, but the official policy in #English is “almost anything goes” at the moment
[ 8:11] Nabeshin : The answer is to make a special place that’s just for go conversation
[ 8:11] Nabeshin : Though you’ll likely find it will be a dead channel most of the time
[ 8:11]FinrodFelagund: Yeah, you have the right to make it whatever you want.
[ 8:11]Shakes Fish At Sky: I think it might do ok but I agrea with Nabeshin
[ 8:11]bigwizard: Has there been complaints about this channel not being Go related Eugene? i also like this channel being the way it is if my opinion counts for anything
[ 8:11]Eugene: Note: this question was prompted by snakess, loredude, Oren’s earliear conversation
[ 8:11] Nabeshin : Yeah someone posted on the forums
[ 8:11]Eugene: Just 15 minutes or so ago
[ 8:12]smog山人: one of the issues is that you’re automatically directed into the english chat, making it a catch-all room automatically
[ 8:12]Eugene: And here
[ 8:12] Nabeshin : They apparently were extremely upset that loredude was doing his RP stuff
[ 8:12]Eugene: Oh maybe it was smog山人 not Oren, oops
[ 8:12] Nabeshin : Personnally I think people need to stop giving a shit about things that don’t matter
[ 8:12]smog山人: I was more upset that he got reported for it xd
[ 8:12]zone man: well free speech comes with a price which is loredudes PR stuff
[ 8:12]smog山人: like, he wasn’t really breaking any rule
[ 8:13]smog山人: if there was a rule that he broke, I’d feel happy about him being reprimanded for it
[ 8:13]Eugene: He was breaking what the reporter wrongly thought was a rule, I think is the concusion
[ 8:13]Eugene: Or maybe he took things too far, come to think of it
[ 8:13]zone man: well in any case i am all for free speech as long as it is not offensive intentionally and hurtful
[ 8:13] Nabeshin : I suppose there may have been something I didn’t see
[ 8:13]Eugene: Because the policy is “almost anything goes”, there’s always a grey line about what almost is
[ 8:14]Eugene: It’s interesting: could I summarise that the immediate reaction here is almost fully negative to making a change?
[ 8:14]FinrodFelagund: I like the current mix of go and non-go discussion. I wouldn’t mind a go-only channel, but I think a rule that makes the two types of talk totally separate would end up decreasing all discussion.
[ 8:14]smog山人: well, in any case, I’d be happier to have specific topics that were off limit, like religion and politics etc, than i’d be with moderating what would be too eager chatting
[ 8:14]zone man: yes
[ 8:14] Nabeshin : I’d vote “hell no” if this were a democracy
[ 8:14]zone man: we want the English to stay as is
[ 8:14]Eugene: In contrast to the opinions posted here: chat needs-better-moderation
[ 8:14]smog山人: it’s really hard to tell the difference between someone who is breaking rules and someone who is just unpopular and ends up getting reported for it
[ 8:14]zone man: yes agree with smog山人
[ 8:15]zone man: keep English as is
[ 8:15]zone man: Free speech
[ 8:15]Eugene: Ultimately that will always be a problem somewhere - #English or #Off Topic. There’s always a grey line that a mod is there to make the call on
[ 8:15]zone man: no hate but free speech
[ 8:15]Stealthsilent1: Im with nebeshin
[ 8:15]snakesss: hmmm, do the posts in that thread rly advocate a change? i feel like it is mostly the OP?
[ 8:15]Eugene: Free speech isn’t what you think it is zone man, but I’d hate to derail this conversation on that tangent
[ 8:16] Nabeshin : I will admit I do get annoyed when people don’t understand free speech
[ 8:16]snakesss: smog is saying “rules should be more clear” more than “moderation should be more active in chat” - i believe
[ 8:16]Stealthsilent1: Its these peoples problems for caring about annoying things and instead of telling people where to say something these people should just chill out.
[ 8:16]smog山人: yes, snek
[ 8:16]zone man: well im all for having us talk about anything anytime let me just put it this way
[ 8:16] Nabeshin : Honestly I don’t even think religion and politics should be off limits
[ 8:16] Nabeshin : We talk about those all the time and it’s fine
[ 8:17]Eugene: OK - well I will say that this is totally no suprise to me - the same sort of conclusion was reached a couple of years ago when this came up.
[ 8:17] Nabeshin : Just don’t be a shithead
[ 8:17] Nabeshin : Like that’s really the only rule
[ 8:17]Shakes Fish At Sky: does the american flag next to the english langauge mean nothing eugene
[ 8:17]Eugene: ^^^^ Nailed it
[ 8:17] Nabeshin : Doesn’t matter, free speech only means the government can’t come after you for what you say
[ 8:17]Eugene resists getting into that conversation while trying to deal with this one
[ 8:18] Nabeshin : Has absolutely zero to do with private organizations
[ 8:18]Eugene: Maybe it’s done aleady
[ 8:18]Eugene: OK thanks all