I won’t argue it too heavily, I’m just a bit wary whenever the culture group of a major power enforces its standards on culture groups of minor powers, particularly on the bounds of things like language
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oh I would love to go into who is who in this situation, according to your view, but I have to go get hot iron screws inserted under my fingernails and it’s too late to cancel so…
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speaking as members of the anglosphere and our standards on this server about those who are not part of this anglosphere
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Maybe you would like to rethink this assumption?
look, that was just my immediate concern that I get from a predominantly english-speaking server. And yes, that is a result of colonialism in itself. I am aware. But what I mean is that I think access to beginner material in their specific languages with culturally-specified jargon would be a much better solution in my mind than trying to universalize the standards we use as english speakers, even if they are from Japanese
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“We” doesn’t include me.
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Trying to hide behind “oh, I know I’m flawed sorry” doesn’t make it any less ridiculous or any less offensive, just so you know.
Also, it is very, very, very funny to me when I’m literally a part of a very small country fighting to have my opinion heard about what would work for the situation of a very small country and having people like you making ignorant assumptions because they are so sure they know better.
The gall.
I’m sorry, I’m just not completely certain why universalizing jargon is a better alternative for anybody but those of us who already use it
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Well, then the answer has already been covered by a lot of people and projects. Implementing all that, and succeeding, is what is quite harder.
I am not crossing my arms and waiting. I am doing as much as I can. I just say that whatever we are personally doing is like throwing stones in the ocean and expecting for an island to be built.
Again: I do not “complain” about this. I just point it out. Just because you do not like the fact that the lack of a professionally run organisation and money is creating a negative result to Go promotion, that doesn’t make it a “complaint”.
If you want to ignore the problem, that is your choice.
The first one, obviously. So what? The main problem lies in how to attract those people to inquire about the game in the first place. Maybe you think otherwise, but if you run a poll, you will see that the people that end up being “Go players” are not exactly the kind that is the majority of people in western society.
That’s a horrible thing to say for people you’ve never met and you’ve barely interacted with.
And what a great welcoming message for the “community” and any volunteer project … 
So, when is that Go club getting established? 
That sounds very reasonable.
That may be true for you, but you assume that everyone has the same learning style/capacity, which really isn’t the case even for more typical things like school lessons, for example.
Similarly I’ve read arguments in favour of studying books and others that say that “books do nothing”.
Others say “watch video lectures to improve fast!” and others say “video lectures do nothing”
Others say “get a tutor first!” others say “learn the basics first, don’t waste your money on tutors when you do not know the basics”
etc.
Unfortunately there is not one answer that fits everyone. Whichever type of promotion or Go type, variant or terminology or whatever else we choose, some people will like it and enjoy it and others won’t. The questions are which choices contain the most “happy clients” and if it is worth morphing towards catering to them.
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It’s a very logical conclusion. Someone who is a bad volunteer will be bad in other aspects of their life.
I’m sorry for you if you haven’t reached the stage where you don’t need a bus load of quotes and references to reach simple conclusions like that in your life. It’s called “life experience”.
It must be a struggle to navigate life like that. 
That’s the best you can do? You waited a week to pretend this is some sort of argument?
You really are pitiful. I feel sorry for you. And I’m not staying around in OGS, so you can keep pretending being pretentious for 20 years in internet fora, playing basketball and having been in the army means something.
Godspeed.
Ive never met anyone who wasn’t bad in some aspects and good in other aspects… 
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Linked aspects tend to go together.
I’ve never met anyone who is a random pile of aspects.
OK, goodbye!
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And yet Go has survived for 4000 years despite its alleged ungameliness. When Candy Crush survives into its 4000th year maybe it will be worthy of Go’s attention 
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Most people are good at some things and bad at others, but some are merely good at being bad and bad at being good.
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Ive never met anyone that was true of.
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Oh really? So people cannot choose to have a different intensity and performance in different aspects of life like work, family, hobbies. Everything is the same and people are equally skilled and motivated in everything they do in life, according to you.
Also, who is judging them to be “bad volunteers”? You.
Based on what though? That they do not seem to follow your instructions? Really now? You do not even know if they have received them. Have you sent them even an email or would you like them to come hear and read your suggestions? And even if you did send them an email, are they oblidged to do whatever we tell them? Are we anything official here and I didn’t notice?
Why don’t you join them, volunteer and put some actual work on the ground instead of just standing on a high horse and pointing fingers on other people’s efforts, for once?
Very true.
I’m sorry for you if you haven’t reached the stage where you don’t need a bus load of quotes and references to reach simple conclusions like that in your life. It’s called “life experience”.
It must be a struggle to navigate life like that.
More petty judgemental insults towards people you’ve never met in your life. Thank you for proving my point 
That’s the best you can do? You waited a week to pretend this is some sort of argument?
I didn’t “wait”, I was on a trip for day (and since you seem to be reading and recording everything, you must have noticed). I did not think you’d expect me to read 50+ answers on my rare days off or to do so first thing upon my return home, but there we have it.
But that’s a nice evasion and I am not keen to bite. When is the Go Club coming along? That’s the important thing. Is there a plan? Last time you mentioned it, I asked again and you run away, again. It is a Go forum. Go Clubs are an appropriate thing to talk about.
You really are pitiful. I feel sorry for you.
Oh no! What will I do now? Some stranger on the internet that cannot tell my face from the face of the next random stranger is trying to insult me. Oh my, what a disaster!
And I’m not staying around in OGS, so you can keep pretending being pretentious for 20 years in internet fora, playing basketball and having been in the army means something.
What on earth do these personal examples from other topics have to do with anything here, thrown without context?
Besides didn’t you just say on the very same post about “life experience”?:
It’s called “life experience”.
Remember that? So, what’s your point? YOUR life experience is all important and everyone else’s is immaterial?
Even so, those three things are just 1% of my life. You know nothing, yet you judge as if you’ve known me (and other people, EGF officials included) since we were kids.
Well, all you managed was to provide an objectively funny tantrum.
Have a nice day!
Man, we’ve witnessed on the forum for years that you two don’t get along with each other, but now that she apparently left, you don’t need to keep arguing.
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Ragequitters rarely really leave a forum.
The vast majority of cases return days later pretending nothing ever happened (and most of the times everyone plays along, because why not? ).
Some of them return to “fight” (though that is always unwise, for various reasons).
A small amount of them return as “clones”, to troll.
It is very rare that they actually leave for good, so I wouldn’t worry too much about that “threat”. That’s why I wished her a nice day and not goodbye or something. She is most probably returning very soon.
Most people actually leaving either quietly fade away, their time being diverted in other hobbies or important real life obligations (work, family, etc) or make a polite announcement bidding goodbye to friends/people they interacted with saying “I may be back later in life, when I have more free time”.
I didn’t argue, per se. I just wasn’t going to leave such unwarranted personal attacks unattended.
I may not think that the EGF leadership is doing everything correctly, but at least I can respect them for doing their best (as far as I can tell) and giving part of their free time to promote and manage our hobby.
Going personal on them and attacking their real life performance at work or anything else they do in their lives is just uncalled for and unacceptable and it “poisons the well” for any other well-meaning volunteers (which is part of the topic).
And once that horridly bad behaviour is called out, she goes even more personal? Ok! 
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