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I still think the number of liberties is the key.

Koan_52

Koan_54

(Is it ok to submit two koans at a time?)

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I hope you donā€™t mind, I put all koans on the same line and made them all a bit smaller, so that I can fit them on the same screen, instead of having to scroll.

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Iā€™ve looked at

  • number of black stones vs number of white stones
  • number of black chains vs number of white chains
  • number of blackā€™s liberties vs number of whiteā€™s liberties (=empty intersections next to white stones)

but I didnā€™t find anything interesting.

data

c Green Koans
Koan_6 bs 2, bc 2, bl 8, ws 2, wc 2, wl 8
Koan_7 bs 4, bc 1, bl 10, ws 4, wc 1, wl 10
Koan_10 bs 2, bc 2, bl 8, ws 2, wc 2, wl 8
Koan_11 bs 3, bc 1, bl 8, ws 3, wc 1, wl 8
Koan_14 bs 2, bc 2, bl 4, ws 2, wc 2, wl 4
Koan_17 bs 3, bc 3+, bl 9, ws 3, wc 2, wl 9
Koan_22 bs 4, bc 1-, bl 8, ws 4, wc 3, wl 8
Koan_23 bs 2+, bc 2+, bl 6+, ws 1, wc 1, wl 2
Koan_28 bs 3, bc, 1, bl 5, ws 3, wc 1, wl 5
Koan_44 bs 1, bc 1, bl 3, ws 1, wc 1, wl 3
Koan_35 bs 3, bc 1, bl 5, ws 3, wc 1, wl 5
Koan_37 bs 32+, bc 1, bl 20, ws 16, wc 1, wl 20
Koan_47 bs 6, bc 2, bl 10, ws 6, wc 2, wl 10
Koan_50 bs 4, bc 3, bl 13+, ws 4, wc 3, wl 12

Red Koans
Koan_9 bs 4, bc 3+, bl 8, ws 4, wc 1, wl 8
Koan_25 bs 2+, bc 2+, bl 3, ws 1, wc 1, wl 3
Koan_27 bs 4-, bc 4, bl 11-, ws 6, wc 4, wl 14
Koan_30 bs 28+, bc 4+, bl 24, ws 16, wc 1, wl 24
Koan_46 bs 4, bc 3+, bl 8, ws 4, wc 1, wl 8
Koan_48 bs 7, bc 4+, bl 13, ws 7, wc 2, wl 13
Koan_49 bs 8, bc 6+, bl 16, ws 8, wc 2, wl 16
Koan_51 bs 2-, bc 2+, bl 4-, ws 7, wc 1, wl 14

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I was quite excited with ā€œWhenever a white group touches a black group, the number of black stones should be larger than or equal to the number of white stonesā€

Until I discovered that I had made a mistake with 25, which doesnā€™t follow that ruleā€¦

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Number 25 is extremely upsetting to me, and I refuse to accept it as canon :upside_down_face:

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25 does seem like the exception here. Why is it red?

Black is in the majority or equal in a number of different counts in green koans, while white is in the majority in red koans, except for that one.

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A few more ideas that almost work:

  • Capturing a black stone takes at least as many moves as capturing a white stone. (27 is an exception) EDIT oh, maybe this works?
  • Capturing the largest black group takes at least as many moves as capturing the largest white group. (17 is an exception)
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For your first rule, 27 is not an exception?

Black can be captured in 3 moves, but it takes 4 for white.

I donā€™t see any exception to that rule yet.

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Oh! I guess thatā€™s right. So I predict 52 and 54 will be red.

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If this were the case, shouldnā€™t this koan be undecideable:

image

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Right, itā€™s not well-defined when there are no capturable groups. Maybe they would count as equal infinities? Or maybe the white one is āˆž+1 and black is āˆž+9? But even before getting to that, we could test whether itā€™s about capturing or liberties with something like this:

image

(Whiteā€™s group with 6 liberties canā€™t be captured in 6 moves.)

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Koan_57
Koan_58

Sure why not :slight_smile:

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Koan_59
Koan_60

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The minimum of blackā€™s liberties per chain is greater than or equal to the minimum of whiteā€™s liberties per chain?

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You got it! :grin:

My formulation:
There is a white chain with the minimum number of liberties among all chains.

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hmm, those two rules are not exactly alike.

how would you rule this?

Koan_62

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Green:
Koan_63

True, the difference hinges on how the minimum of an empty set is defined (relevant for @Jon_Ko s rule). But I thought of this as an ā€œedge caseā€ that could be understood one way or another, and that @Jon_Ko s answer was good enough for me :slight_smile:

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Almost always the most useful definition is to make the minimum of the empty set to be larger than any possible value, and the maximum of the empty set to be smaller than any possible value. That is, this would indeed be green.

I guess, technically, one should call it the infimum and the supremum, though, in those cases. Minima and maxima are expected to be contained in the set.

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Can I do the next one?

Green Koans
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Red Koans
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This is counterintuitive at first glance but on reflectionā€¦

Regardless, yes it is an edge case.

On to the next one! Maybe we can crack it in less than a month this time.

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