Also, just start 
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knowing kanji only is not enough to understand speech in video (sound)
Thatās why the 5 minutes (or whatever small thing) per day is just the starting point. Itās meant to not only increase as you go on, but also balloon as you begin to want to go past the 5 minutes, as you inevitably will. This is made explicit in the article Icedrinker linked in the New Yearās Resolutions thread.
I also donāt get why people keep bringing up this āobjectionā to Icedrinkerās method, since beyond being a strawman, the method worked for him (I believe it was with German). I think itās a very good way to approach something new.
That said, Iām not convinced RTK would be the best use of oneās study time, but if it works it works.
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Iām glad youāve encapsulated the future implications of the idea I was proposing.
knowing kanji only is not enough to understand speech in video (sound)
Where did I say that? hereās a related message
will have learned 1k hanzi, which will cover like 80% of your hanzi needs
Once youāre done with hanzi, you can go ahead onto other parts of the language. Or do it in parallel. Hanzi meanings is just a part of the puzzle.
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in many other languages knowing how to read is enough to know how to hear, but not here, I just warning. It may be more easy to learn how to listen instead of how to read.
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Iām feeling aggravated at all the criticism Iām getting in everything Iām saying. Other threads too. Iāve had years of experience with languages, and I speak 5 languages, but apparently all my views are just trash.
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I agree that steady is better than zero and 2000 hanzi are better than 20 hanzi. Iām just not organised enough to keep my resolution.
His post was clearly giving the tldr of things he had already posted in detail on this forum. Itās not reasonable to assume that it was trying to replace what it was clearly a summation of.
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I agree with what youāve wrote, and itās how I view learning a language as well. Iāve personally been progressing steadily but slowly, by regularly doing a little. Nevertheless, I believe the criticism is meant constructively, and thereās some truth in them as well. Thereās different methods of leaning, and to each their own.
Kanji is one of the major parts of learning Japanese, and knowing them without a doubt improves speaking as well, since the pronunciation usually only makes sense if you know how to write the word.
Learning Kanji is something that can easily be done grain by grain as well, and it starts becoming fun once you get used to it a bit, so that you automatically progress past the 5 minutes per day (Iāve had a couple of months where I studied kanji for 4 hours per day because it was fun to do)
I think itās a matter of expectations. Donāt go into a project like learning a language, and expect to speak it fluently within a year (or 5 years), especially without following classes or being inside a country where the language is spoken. If your goal is fluency quickly, go to a language school and move to the country.
You should learn a language on your own because youāre interested in learning the language. If you enjoy it, itās not wasted time either.
I do agree that there are a lot of āscamā-like offers on the internet (āget fluent with only these 5 small stepsā, āthis app is the reason I can speak ā¦ā etc.). There is no shortcut to success, mastering a language is only possible with a huge amount of effort.
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I pressed it before reading the textā¦ Let me read the text now.
Iād still press it, because I think more knowledge only makes the problems you encounter more interesting. I would still like to dive deeper into grammar and etymology and rare kanji and such, because I honestly find it fun in itself.
My mother is also learning Japanese (she started that about a year ago), and sheās convinced she will never reach fluency, but really enjoys the learning itself.
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True.
Also, languages are not always meant to be a career push or a school prerequisite and people should not feel the pressure to acquire them fast! Iāve learned my āprofessional stuffā languages as fast as I were expected to and now I feel perfectly comfortable to learn my āhobby stuffā languages as slowly as I want.
I would like to make some progress because it is more practical for daily life, thatās all.
I am a great enemy of the ālearn 5 languages before you get to work this morning, while you also peel oranges in swan shapes and compose a great instrumental songā people, but I also understand that teaching and self-learning have covered a lot of mileage since the late 1800s. New, reasonably functional methods are being discovered. Some work, some donāt, some are hoaxes. We take our pick and pay the fees.
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wait until you learn Chinese ā¦ 士 å 壬 ē ē
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Those all occur in Japanese too, thoughā¦ 
(although 壬 apparently only in names)
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Or 已己巳己巓
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ęęęęę
Fascinating! 已己巳己 is a word in Japanese, meaning āall the sameā. Seems like itās not that well-known, though.
It almost looks like a joke entry in the dictionaryā¦
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Ya, sort of. Lots of ācreative waysā to create phases, even new words/characters in Chinese and kanji. And it also showed that even if one character is written the same, the pronunciation (and meaning) of the character can be different.
已己巳己 (ćććæć) the first å·± is ć, the second å·± is ć. Also, ć (ć³) was simplified from the character å·± to begin with.
(Trying to make 2022 work 
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Any suggestions for up-to-date chinese (standard) ressources?
My old HSK ressources are so outdated they should be in a museum. The ones I find are either too āstreet languageā for my purposes or they are re-illustrated editions of old-fashioned books with bad structure.
what do you mean by - too āstreet languageā?