long for first win

You must first put thought into your moves before someone can give you meaningful feedback. Otherwise, we would be better off giving advice to @random-move-nixbot.

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thats my point give me a set of moves to follow or ones that i made wrong to improve on so having thought process needs input information by which to think about

How are you accessing an SGF with move times? I’ve wanted this feature forever.

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These are the moves you must know:

Start with the first puzzle. If you don’t understand the answer, ask for help. You’re stuck, because you don’t know the most basic fundamentals of life-and-death. And also because you play way too fast without thinking about your moves.

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@SoumyaK4 was so nice to point me to a tool that even integrates with the OGS UI. @benjito already posted the link above.

I later found that you can grab the exact timings right from the JSON that comes via a WebSocket by using the dev-tools of your browser:

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Oh, now we’re talking. That’s great.

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Not so long ago I took the time to review and comment on a game from @NEWOLDGUY. Who knows, you might even know him! :zany_face:

Unfortunately, he never bothered to respond. It also didn’t feel like he would bother listening to anything I (or so many others) tried to convey to him.

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The various forum members have tried giving you concrete guidance before - however, no matter what we try, you keep doing the same things over and over, and not changing the way you play.

If I can make an analogy to tennis - we keep trying to point out that there are underlying rules to the game - that certain shots are “in bounds” and certain shots are “out of bounds” - and that where you hit the ball will affect your ability to get points etc. In response, you keep saying “But I keep hitting the ball as hard as I can! Look how many times I hit the ball! Why am I still losing?” and the rest of us just kind of stare in confusion because you still don’t seem to be able to differentiate between the times your shots land in bounds / out of bounds. How can we help if you don’t understand the rules of the game?

Having said that, here are two concrete ways that you can improve. If you just start to understand these two ideas, you can try playing in a more effective way.

STEP 1: understand what makes a LIVING GROUP

This is what Bray was trying to help you see with the Exercises for Beginners puzzles linked above. So, for instance

^This is a living group because it has TWO EYES at R1 and T1 and there is no way that White can capture it completely. Even though White has surrounded it, and taken all of Black’s exterior liberties, there is no way White can play two moves at the same time, so Black is unconditionally alive.

On the other hand, in the above picture, with White to play the next move, Black’s entire group is dead. Why you ask?

White can kill Black’s group by playing at the KEY POINT at S1. If Black doesn’t play this move, there is no way they can make two eyes. Worse yet, if Black tries to capture the S1 stone by playing at R1 or T1, they put their whole group in atari (i.e. reduced to 1 final liberty) and then White can capture them completely.

This is the point of all those Exercises for Beginners puzzles - to help you learn to spot the difference between LIVING and DEAD groups, and to be able to find those key points that you need to play to save or kill them.

STEP 2: Learn to see when your stones are in DANGER and when they are SAFE.

Many people on the forum have commented on the fact that you don’t seem to notice when your stones are in ATARI

For example, in the game linked above, this was the first atari of the game

Instead of protecting your D5 stone, you played at J3 for some reason.

One fairly simple thing you can do is learn when your stones are in danger, and atari is the simplest one to see. Don’t let your stones get captured! Protect them!

On the flip side of that coin, you play lots of moves that secure stones that are already safe - that are in no immediate possible danger

Your middle and upper right groups were not in any danger from Black - it would have been very difficult for Black to invade or threaten you in that part of the board. As such, playing a move to secure already safe stones is an opportunity wasted. Instead you could have put the L4 stone in atari and chased them to capture like this:

So yes, if you could just focus on those two small concrete goals, that would probably improve your game. Good luck.

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@dokbohm WOW you are so lucky having so many wise and dedicated OGSers share their insight and tips and guidance. I would print it all and study carefully and applying into my next moves if I were you.

In fact I did! 18 A4 pages.

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guess I’m missing something about this game, as you have said many people have given advice and thankfully so, but unfortunately, that advice was such that I just don’t get it. Some of the screenshots show the points being made and are helpful, especially when you show a game of mine and show where i went wrong. Those are helpful - maybe i just not cut out tp play this game I’m just filling time before the door on the door comes, and yet something intrigues me about this game, which chess has lost it lustre to keep me interested in i will in the furure try to not waste anymore time, so please if i post something its usally the meds when they kick in that make me want to post just ignore me i will write myself a note right now not to post as most here have observed and told me are non listenning type advise – i appolgize for the stupid level at which i play ok then enough of the rant so long and bye for now