Maybe 2024 will be better

[JethOrensin]

@ehomba

In my dictionary is an absolute religion.

Once it becomes everyone’s dictionary then we will all call it religion. Till then we will use the actual, commonly agreed upon, dictionary. That was my main point previously.

@ehomba

I practiced yoga fooled by the idea that I can fix my vision. Yep, they promised that. They said that you can even regrow teeth.

That’s called a scam and whoever promised you that was a charlatan, if I am not mistaken.

Yoga, in its inception, is a part of a religion, but not a religion itself, in the same way that fasting is part of our national religion (Christian Orthodoxy), but not a religion in and off itself, despite the fervor of some of its adherents.

@ehomba

Also, climate change.

You are veering more and more into definitely not religions.

@ehomba

Or electric vehicles and green energy.

I am not a great proponent of EVs, but religion they are not.
As for “green energy” I - and thousands of other people that own panels - have practical proof that it works, so, I am not sure what you mean.

@ehomba

It may be a science, but is an emerging science, not quite understood by well versed scientists.

You mean not quite understood by you. It is you who does not understand them and turn them into beliefs and then into “religions”.

@ehomba

Religion is belief, so is not hard for me to accept the opposite as true. Belief is religion.

And there exactly lies the issue.

@ehomba

It is or not a religion? It has a moral core too.

With my invertor and panels came instruction manuals. I have yet to receive “moral codes” from the panels or the company that installed them.

@ehomba

Now you get my point?

I got it previously too.

@ehomba

I am misguided because I want a better life for future generations even I do not have kids of my own?

I do not see where this fits with the whole issue but, not at all. That’s actually very commendable.

@ehomba

And everybody accepted my opinion

I am not surprised…

@ehomba

You did not convinced me.

It was not my point nor intention. I always discuss things to find/learn about other people’s points of view. I have understood your, I have informed you about issues/sources that you need to look up (mainly a lexicon).

I do not have anything else to add.

[ehomba]

@JethOrensin

despite the fervor of some of its adherents.

fervor is sometimes synonym to religiosity

, hence my opinion…

@JethOrensin

You are veering more and more into definitely not religions.

only to stress how loose I regard the definition.

@JethOrensin

You mean not quite understood by you. It is you who does not understand them and turn them into beliefs and then into “religions”.

@JethOrensin

I am not a great proponent of EVs, but religion they are not.

Oh they are. Some of them One example

Climate Scientists are Very Confused.

Tell this to Robert Llewellyn. His fervor on Fully Charged tell me the opposite

@JethOrensin

With my invertor and panels came instruction manuals. I have yet to receive “moral codes” from the panels or the company that installed them.

Well, depends when you installed them. Lately yes, belief has less to do They are cheap enough to make sense to everybody.

But a decade ago investing so much money made sense only through believing that it helps a cause (in case you were on the grid range. )

@JethOrensin

As for “green energy” I - and thousands of other people that own panels - have practical proof that it works, so, I am not sure what you mean.

If they work why so many hate them and do not adopt them? Before was obvious, because of cost. But now? Because they believe in oil and coal, and do not know how good are them for us.

@JethOrensin

do not have anything else to add.

Then we agreed.

Licenses are a common thing in literature. Some stick, some do not.

Mine stuck till you

Now is up to the reader to agree with me or you.

[JethOrensin]

@ehomba

fervor is sometimes synonym to religiosity

Please don’t tell me that “sometimes” for you means “always”

@ehomba

If they work why so many hate them and do not adopt them?

Simple ignorance can explain that. We cannot know everything.
Everyone I know that has seen this:

…combined with the fact that I got everything on half-price due to a government program, knew immediately which way their interests/profits were. Half price and free power for your house in these time where the electricity costs have skyrocketed is a great idea. Nothing special to it though. They just were not aware of the opportunity, just like I am totally ignorant of hundreds of other opportunities that other people know, but I do not. That’s how life goes.

@ehomba

Then we agreed.

Nope.
Unless you redifine “agreed” and most of the words in the English language, as well as you redefined “religion”.

[ehomba]

@Jon_Ko

Why do you think defining words is important? And why didn’t you look up the words despite that?

Sorry for the late answer. I noticed your question late.

Obviously, defining words is crucial for avoiding misunderstanding.
And about not looking in the dictionary. You took out of context my statement. Being sure that the word has a lot of nuances, I picked just one, (I defined the one I need in my demonstration) But also, sometimes I can stress that I did not looked up, just to raise awareness of the fact that I may be wrong, but I am sure enough of my knowledge. And being a casual discussion, there is no need for a higher authority. And in case that my opinion is not accepted, than I look up in the dictionary.
And in this case I actually did it in the end.

And I was proved right.

Also I realized that there may be a cultural difference. In my native language Belief has a lot of nuances. There are three words used. one is religie, translated as religion and faith.
But a more common word is credință, translated as, faith, belief, allegiance, religion, creed, trust, and the last, more academic is cult. worship, cult, religion, creed. So, I realized that maybe Jeth has a more precise field comprised in the notion of religion, hence the obstination in accepting the idea that my examples are definitely not religions.

But we talk in English, so we need to consider the English definition. And here it is. religion, human beings’ relation to that which they regard as holy, sacred, absolute, spiritual, divine, or worthy of especial reverence.

And according to the definition I was right. Before looking at the official definition I accepted that solar panels are not quite an religion. maybe only as a literal license. But they are worthy of reverence. QED.

[Jon_Ko]

@ehomba

But they are worthy of reverence

The definition you’re using says “worthy of especial reverence”, not just reverence, but even that I’d find too much. But I’m not a native speaker either.

[ehomba]

@JethOrensin

Please don’t tell me that “sometimes” for you means “always”

nope.
the sarcasm is gratuitous though.
I stretched the notions, but not to the absurd.

Anyway, let do not forget from where we started. It was an atheist about not believing. And about science being knowing. And there are only three states, you know, or not, and believe.

@JethOrensin

They just were not aware of the opportunity,

No, I was talking about those who hate solar panels, not those who are not interested. They come with full liturgies about how polluting solar panels are, they have a lot of ”knowledge”

So in their case PVs are the subject of a reverse religion opposed to the early adopters.

@JethOrensin

Nope.
Unless you redifine “agreed” and most of the words in the English language, as well as you redefined “religion”.

Till here it was just casual. But because of this nope, after you initially said that you got the message I conveyed initially, I looked up the definition to see if I really pushed it. It seems that I do not. I explained that in my previous comment.

So what we do now is just tetrapiloctomy.
Hence, I will not go further.
I still have a lot of arguments in my quiver
One of them starts with a question.
If I claim that Fully Charged is my bible do you get what message I convey?
You can imagine where is this going.

But since I understand that for you the notion of religion is a lot more narrow that mine, and I have nothing to gain in explaining further my perspective, I stop here. It was a simple statement. Who agrees fine. Who do not, the same.

Cheers.

Also, this thread should end, 24 ended long time ago;)

[ehomba]

@Jon_Ko

worthy of especial reverence”,

If I confess that a decade ago I threw my whole income for a month to buy useless tiny 7w solar panel just to play with it, do you believe me that my reverence is especial?