Moving OGS Forward

I skimmed, but didn’t see it, so I apologize if this has already been suggested: after ads roll out you should consider a paid option that removes ads. I think this would be a big help as new people sign on and see that, yes there are ads on OGS, but one has the option to pay to remove ads via a subscription.

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Don’t worry. It’s already planned.

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I would be happy about one-time-payments. Pay 20 Euros to get vip/supporter for the nxt X-Month. That is fair, equal at the price for everyone and simple. If someone wants to support more, just spend some money for free or create different vip/supporter levels and prices.

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Ok, I’m not sunspark, but I complained about the same issue a year ago. Since then, I tried to donate from time to time - but never succeeded, as you obviously still don’t want my money. In my opinion, the easiest way are one-time-donations via Paypal, which I use quite often. But the way you implemented Paypal requires 1. a credit card (a problem I encounter the first time, usually my Paypal account features direct debit) , 2. the willingness for a monthly support.
Btw: I would even use the good old wire transfer - if you would provide this option.

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Ads suck, therefore I run an adblocker and I won’t turn it off, because ads are toxic to the brain. Please make Paypal payments possible without credit cards, I don’t have one and I won’t apply for one. I also support the idea of an infreqent reminder that donations are neccerssary to run the server. Once you donated, you should get a code to disable those banners.

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We’re definitely going to get some non-CC options in place. And yep, we have the reminders that pop up, and once you’re a supporter you don’t see those anymore.

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Cool! Looking forward to it. I wanted to donate, but Paypal told me that I need a credit card. But that’s uncommon (and unnecessary) where I’m from. But OGS is def support-worthy. Good luck with your financial situation.

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Bitcoin support (via coinbase, or just directly) would also be great.

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Definitely, we tried with coinbase about 2 years ago and ran into some problems with their recurring system, but we’re going to revisit it now that it’s been awhile, hopefully they’re long since resolved :slight_smile:

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I’m a bit saddened by this, in a general sense. I do understand the need for money and the wish to have someone dedicated for the site, so it’s a good thing too. Will these be personally targeted ads, or just go-related ads, or just general ads?

Have you considered something like partnership deals like with Amazon where you get a small portion of the purchases people make?

Also, have you considered after a while moving to more perks for people donating to the site and having “monthly goals” in the same way reddit gold does? If there’s a certain amount of money in the war chest and so many people being site supporters doing away with ads or doing something special?

Just a few ideas.

They’re going to be google adsense ads, so they’re based on your interests and such. With that system advertisers (such as Go related services and equipment sellers) can (and we hope do!) target ogs specifically.

Amazon partnership deals might be something to consider for some select things, but it’s not something that would be lucrative enough as a standalone thing to support what we want to do I don’t think.

Additional supporter perks are always fun, but there are limits to what we want to do with those, our primary goal here at OGS is to encourage new players to join the game, so we’re not going to sacrifice the approachability of the game here in the name of trying to convince people to become supporters. And we’d love nothing more than to have enough site supporters to support us such that we didn’t have to have ads :slight_smile:

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If my memory serves me well, that’s pretty much how it was on the old OGS. That worked very well for me, and I was a payed subscriber there quite for a while.
I guess that did not work equally well for the old OGS, though, judging by how it’s not here anymore… :expressionless:

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This service is already incredible. I can’t imagine what else you’d add to make it better. But certainly you deserve to make a living from it. For that reason I have just signed up as a supporter and I wish you growing success.

In particular I was pleased with the option to select how much I wanted to pay per month. I wonder if it’s worth having the option of a single annual payment for those that don’t want repeat-billing.

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Ninja jokes aside, I’m a fellow developer and I know how hard it is to invest several years of hard work into a project.
Nevertheless it will be a sad moment for me as I’m a beginner and I found my “Go home” here.

Have you thought having paid lessons available on the sit, or maybe pay for “enhancements” like PoE
or even Kickstarter? (I guess you have considered all the alternatives, but I had to ask).

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One thing that would have low costs to deliver but could have quite a bit of value from our end would be the option to, when we subscribe, choose an OGS group we are a part of to get some extra lines of archived text in our group chat. It could be scaled according to how much was donated. Also, it would stack if multiple people donated and chose the same group. I’m assuming that the group chats are stored as plaintext which takes up so little space that it wouldn’t be a big deal to add half a dozen lines of text or something for every dollar donated.

Also, it’s not something that would scare new players away, since everyone in the group benefits and it’s completely optional.

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Facilitating teachers meeting with students for paid lessons is certainly something we want to do, but we probably don’t want to take a cut of those lessons. I’d rather see that money go to the teachers to support themselves. (Also, realistically I don’t think there would be enough demand to support us on any sort of reasonable cut, so I think everyone is better off if we figure something else out for ourselves and support the teachers in getting all of the revenue from their lessons)

The kickstarter and enhancements/paid features has come up before, but fundamental problem is OGS isn’t a project where you we take a few months to complete it and then we’re done and move on. When we’re done with a batch of features the very next thing we do is figure out what we need to do next; the project will never be complete :slight_smile: I suppose the paid features model could technically support that, but aside from some systemic issues I could see with that model, it seems fundamentally dirty, at least for a project like this. We’re not going to hold features hostage for pay… we work on OGS because we love it, we’re just trying to figure out if we can make it work so we can work on it even more :slight_smile:

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So many ideas My mind spins. I’ll just say this: I’m relatively new to Go. A horrible player. Not smart enough. But I do admire, deeply the design of OGS. I’m a duffer and old school. I just use my credit card, and pay $10 a month to help. Not a lot. In my opinion there’s a moral duty (my perspective) to help these fellas for those who use the site regularly. I personally will support whatever the designers decide. I first learned Go in Outer Mongolia (yes) in the 1970s. If there had been a site like this with which I could have improved my game, who knows . . . Maybe advanced to 15K. :slight_smile: But I will continue to support these developers. I hope all of you will too. Clear to me they work for the love of the game. I admire that.

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sorry, I misunderstood… So if we support the site with even $1 a month we won’t get ads?

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Correct. :slight_smile:

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