@martin3141 You can actually do komi betting from the site I created from the Semi-random starting position discussion.
Random Go Stone Placements
After you generate a starting position you can copy the URL (which includes the randomly generated placements) and share it with your opponent. You can then do the komi betting, adjust the komi accordingly, download the SGF, upload it to your SGF library, and challenge your opponent.
I admit it is not the most intuitive UX, so I created
@runarberg, but I believe that what I’m envisioning is different than your variant. I would like to play with neutral stones which can never be captured, and the position of these neutral stones is random. The part with the komi is not a problem, nor is generating a random starting position. The problem is finding a user friendly solution on OGS.
I am still willing to have a go, but if I have to skip from one screen to another all the time I won’t be interested (because my playing under these conditions will suffer just too much, giving me no pleasure).
So if it is possible to play in a “peaceful setting” i am game. Maybe a smaller board size and less neutral stones is a better option for a first experiment with this go variant.
As I said, I’m offering to create pictures of the current board state and post the updated configuration to this thread. With neutral stones, it may look like this:
Edit: And sure I’m fine with playing on a smaller board and less neutral stones. Just tell me what settings you prefer. That is why I asked you before
Like to try it again, but preferably 9x9 with a few neutral points. Okay?
Okay, how about 9x9 with 1 random stone? And I’m not sure how much I’ll be able to play, but I’ll try to play at least one move per day.
Ok, this is the random position:
Funny that it looks like a normal move, but I did create two random numbers
Also I flipped a coin to decide who chooses komi. As a result I set komi to be
@Atorrante, do you want to play Black or White?
i play white, thanks for setting this up.
Thank you for playing with me
I’ll try F5 as my first move.
Strategically I am in dubbio.
Should I play as if the neutral stone isn’t there at all or should I try to use it in some way?
Gonna try the second option
Yeah, I think that using the neutral stone to your advantage is the way to go
I like this variant because it forces you to think creatively from the get-go.
I play F3:
Yes this variant definitely gets you out of your comfort zone
The neutral stones looks strange next to the detailed stone images. I’ll think about a way to improve the visuals for future games.
I’m really enjoying this variant so far. The neutral stone doesn’t change the game fundamentally, but it does have a great influence on the possible sequences nearby.
Hmm, for me it is still too early to see/experience if this correct.
Will the neutral point count as a point if it is in my territory?
Excellent question, I should have specified that before the start. Both rulings kinda make sense, but personally I would say that a neutral stone is not worth a point at the end. My reason is that
1.) in normal scoring rules, we count empty intersections (and possibly the stones of your color, depending on the ruleset) as points, and
2.) I like to think of the neutral stones as the underlying node of the grid being removed.
This experimental games is ofc also for discovering things like this.
I’ll try and throw a stone in at B3: