Random Gaps + Pie Rule

Thank you @runarberg, but I believe that what I’m envisioning is different than your variant. I would like to play with neutral stones which can never be captured, and the position of these neutral stones is random. The part with the komi is not a problem, nor is generating a random starting position. The problem is finding a user friendly solution on OGS.

As I said, I’m offering to create pictures of the current board state and post the updated configuration to this thread. With neutral stones, it may look like this:

Edit: And sure I’m fine with playing on a smaller board and less neutral stones. Just tell me what settings you prefer. That is why I asked you before :slight_smile:

Like to try it again, but preferably 9x9 with a few neutral points. Okay?

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Okay, how about 9x9 with 1 random stone? And I’m not sure how much I’ll be able to play, but I’ll try to play at least one move per day.


Ok, this is the random position:

Funny that it looks like a normal move, but I did create two random numbers :slight_smile:

Also I flipped a coin to decide who chooses komi. As a result I set komi to be 7 points.

@Atorrante, do you want to play Black or White?


i play white, thanks for setting this up.


Thank you for playing with me :slight_smile:

I’ll try F5 as my first move.

I answer with C6.

Ok, I’ll try F7.

Strategically I am in dubbio.
Should I play as if the neutral stone isn’t there at all or should I try to use it in some way?
Gonna try the second option :grin:



Yeah, I think that using the neutral stone to your advantage is the way to go :slight_smile:

I like this variant because it forces you to think creatively from the get-go.

I play F3:


Yes this variant definitely gets you out of your comfort zone :grin:


The neutral stones looks strange next to the detailed stone images. I’ll think about a way to improve the visuals for future games.

I’m really enjoying this variant so far. The neutral stone doesn’t change the game fundamentally, but it does have a great influence on the possible sequences nearby.


Hmm, for me it is still too early to see/experience if this correct.
Will the neutral point count as a point if it is in my territory?
Guess not.

Excellent question, I should have specified that before the start. Both rulings kinda make sense, but personally I would say that a neutral stone is not worth a point at the end. My reason is that

1.) in normal scoring rules, we count empty intersections (and possibly the stones of your color, depending on the ruleset) as points, and

2.) I like to think of the neutral stones as the underlying node of the grid being removed.

Sounds logical.
This experimental games is ofc also for discovering things like this.

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I play C5.

I’ll try and throw a stone in at B3: