Stone removal and scoring updates

In Japanese rules, you should capture dead stones in a seki before scoring, but they are still dead when you don’t. They are also outside territory, because there is no territory in seki under Japanese rules. So they are dead outside territory. Examples in the position below are M19, N19 and S12.

Also there can be a dead stone in a location that eventually needs to be filled when properly arranging the board for scoring IRL (also known as teire), so that location is not territory. An example in the position below is A8.

It is true that dead stones are already marked by transparency. I agree that adding a 2nd mark by reducing the size or adding a cross is redundant, but not adding a 2nd mark was not an option in anoek’s latest poll.

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I agree, not sure what the intent is, but it looks more like a Phillips screw head than an X.

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Screw those stones.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/baduk/comments/1dwkj04/why_does_it_say_white_wins_by_12_points_but_black/

Now I’m getting Confederate flag vibes from the dead stones with those huge crosses.

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Remember the Alamo to seal your territory!

I know those wars were 30 years apart, but I don’t know any famous Confederate battles or slogans :sweat_smile:

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I think we have bigger problems than just the marking of dead stones according to the post here.

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I thought the hole in border is supposed to be red
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During scoring phase yes, with a warning message, but I don’t think it remains red if players agree to the score (then it’s just dame).

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I thought the blue squares were gone with this update. Never understood what those were supposed to indicate anyway.

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So this was wrong?

Yeah, I think you made that up.

The screenshots in the original post show an accept button with open borders.

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I haven’t tried it in production yet, but on the beta server I think there was no option to score the game anyway when a border was open. IIRC the only option available was to resume the game.

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Huh. I don’t remember if I tried it, but I was referring to this screenshot:

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Now that I see your screenshot, I think you’re right. But it requires some effort to ignore that warning and score the unfinished game anyway.

So I suppose this warning was activated when the players attempted to score this unfinished game.

Did the black player not notice it? Or was the warning somehow not activated?

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I recently played a game where the scoring system gave away information to the players.

Game in question: foxer89 vs. PRHG

Both players assumed the black stone in the bottom right was dead, however we were given a warning that the pink squares needed to be filled. Even when the black stone was marked dead the pink squares and the warning remained.

It doesn’t seem to be possible to manually mark the pink squares as a particular colour. They did end up counting as white’s territory, but unless you manually counted, this was not clear until after the score was accepted.

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I wonder what happens if black resumes the game and ends up winning a lost game because of the pink squares. For this game it seems like black won anyway so it didn’t really matter.

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Okay, in this game we didn’t secure all boundaries, which resulted in this.

We played some more moves and finished the game. Both players accepted the removed stones. This resulted in a sort of freeze.

Only after the accept-removed-stones-period, the final score was set.

I was impressed with how well these updates had improved the autoscore handling of seki. However, it looks like the autoscore is still far from perfect at scoring seki: vanecho vs. kandukuriadityavikram21. This appears to be an autoscore mistake rather than cheating, because the score estimator also scores it wrongly.

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Thats no seki, black can play H6 and keep white dead with bulky-5 ^^

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You’re right. I don’t know how I overlooked that. Sorry.

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