Through the Years: Long Correspondence

Happy New Year everyone. I just lost maybe the only game in that round I was likely to win (I mean a win after fight, not a win by time out or resignation). Such a BIG blunder :face_with_open_eyes_and_hand_over_mouth: hope it will make you laugh as I did. Tournament Game: Through the Years: Long Correspondence (59567) R:2 (netnazgul vs omote)

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  • 1555 games in progress, 840 players involved, 135 groups
  • 88 completed games
  • 16 players completed all their games
  • 5 disqualified players, 1 resigned

By the way, I recently completed all my games in this round.

I was looking at the balance between games won by black or white.

White players won more than black at the very beginning of this round (56% on october 3rd 2024).
Then blacks managed to catch up and overcome (52% on november 5th).
Then there was the massive timeout for whites, pushing blacks up to nearly 80%.
The following blacks massive timeout went to the opposite situation, with whites at more than 60%.
This uneven balance is slowly adjusting since then, with black’s wins percentage slowly rising from 39% on november the 15th to 43% today.

I wonder if blacks will be able to catch up again.

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I wonder if you could do a comparison graph with all timeouts removed?

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Maybe too early to state this, but I have the impression that the second round we are in now is going faster than the first round. Maybe so because a lot of deadwood removed itself by now (by resigning, timing out).

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At the end of the day, it will be as slow as the slowest player - and the ones that were still playing at the end of round 1 are the slowest players. Taking Amenofus as an example, since they were the one playing until the very end, they have made only a single move across all their games this round.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see this round last as long as the previous one.

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  • 1443 games in progress, 821 players involved, 135 groups
  • 112 completed games
  • 19 players completed all their games, 3 of them with 9 wins
  • 8 disqualified players, 1 resigned

I can’t add that filter to the previus chart. I should rework my database, but I can’t for the moment.
I managed to produce this other chart, with the amount of games instead of the percentages.
Here the outcome is divided into “Score” (scored games, whatever the score is), “Resignation” and “Timeout”.

We have about 4500 games ended by timeout. The mass timeouts are visible since november the 11th. Black timeouts (white won) are much more than the white, about 60% of total.

Here is the same chart without timeouts, for better reading of the other kind of games.

In these two cases, black wins are higher, about 53% of total.

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Something I don’t understand with this game Tournament Game: Through the Years: Long Correspondence (59567) R:2 (omote vs Chilldude)
It has been “Annulled” and I was declared winner, although my opponent did not time out at all. Very frustrating, it had been a good game so far. :sob:
timeout

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Your opponent did timeout. Click on the question mark to read the explanation why the game is annulled.

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It’s the serial timeout annul rule, AKA arguably the worst feature on OGS.

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I don’t understand the explanation given by the question mark. There was no timeout for this very game at least, my opponent had still a lot of days if I remember correctly.

[edited] … or maybe time is flowing quicker than I think? Seems that my opponent suddenly timed out all their TTY games.

Now sorry to think aloud, I’ve browsed quickly through (long) threads about this (bug?) (feature?) (rule?) but I’m even more confused. Read about “sandbagging” long ago and did not understand much as well, just got a vague idea that the ranking computation system can be abused OK.

BUT : whatever the reason, what does “annulled” mean exactly? Bear in mid I’m not an english native speaker. In French, “annulé” means “cancelled”, which means in this case, do as if the game had not been played at all. So why is this counted as a win?

Actually when I think about it, seems that I miss some basics on scoring, ranking and the way points are counted in a tournament. If I was to set the rules, a “real” win, I mean a win where the game is played to the end, should not be counted at the same level as a win by time out or resignation. But thinking about it, seems to be like that in all competitions in any sport. Maybe it’s competition basics I’ve been missing all my life :upside_down_face:

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Where is this rule explained? As said above, I don’t understand the explanation given by the question mark. I vaguely get that the decision is linked to my opponent’s behaviour in other games. If it is the case, this is really a completely stupid rule. I vaguely remember to have met similar strange ends of games, and did not investigate further, thinking it was a kind of bug …

It just means the game does not change either of your rating points. For the purposes of the tournament you still won. As they lost to timeout, they will be disqualified from next round.

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Thanks, That’s clearer now. So this word “annulled” in this context is a “faux ami” for French people. Actually my OGS interface is usually in French, and in French it says “partie annulée”. When I switched to English to figure this better, I was surprised by the word, because I’ve always thought that the translation of the French “annuler” was “cancel”, so I expected to read “game cancelled”, I did not know “annul” was also used, and now I wonder what is the subtle difference …

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Hmm, taking the question at face value without any deeper research. As a native English speaker I feel like future events get cancelled and past events get annulled. :thinking:

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I see … you can cancel a future marriage, and annul a past one. In French we have a single verb “annuler” for both cases.

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What is confusing is that your game is annulled w.r.t. rating points, but still counts as a win for the tournament. So it’s kind of semi-annulled.

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It seems that the game is fully annulled because he is not listed as the winner in the game history and also no rating change was triggered.

The tournament seems to award players with a “point” if their opponent got disqualified. This is probably done so that the tournament can be continued without much hassle and to not put the other player at a disadvantage.

The only thing that seems to cause confusion is that the tournament page lists this gained “point” as a “win” even though it was gained through disqualification of the opponent. I think it would all make sense if the tournament page would adjust its wording.

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I’ve been campaigning against the term ‘annulled’ a few times already, without success so far.

Not necessarily. See this screenshot.

Your opponent did timeout this game (I don’t want to be rude, but I kinda trust the server on this).
So you won this game.
From the tournament point of view, that means you gained a point.

BUT

Your opponent did timeout a bunch of games at once. This could lead to wrong rankings for players and sometimes it was used as a way to cheat the ranking system (*).
From the ranking system point of view, that’s an issue. Because of that, there’s an automatic fix which annuls all the games involved in the bunch of timeouts. That means that these games won’t affect players rankings.

These are two distinct environments (tournament managing and ranking system) in which the game is treated differently because of the different nature of the environments themselves.

(*) If a player wants to keep his ranking lower than his real strenght (that’s what “sandbagger” means) he could lose intentionally games against weaker players. Doing that many games at a time is more efficient. The fix (good or bad, I don’t know) was meant against that.

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