is not cheating cheating even if used in training i like the idea the player put forward and i would try to use that if i could figure out how to do it - but somehow it still feels like i would be cheating but then again he /she is not using to gain any points or position so i guess it would be ok to use as a learning tool – any input on this matters would be helpful
In short: When playing a ranked game, using any outside assistance during the game would be cheating.
Otherwise: Using tools (books, computers, friendly advice, etc.) as learning aids is not cheating - it’s how we learn from others. ![]()
Still, I would discourage using AI or score estimator if you don’t understand why what it’s showing is true. So basically if you’re like: I know this is white’s territory and this is black’s, but it would take me 10 minutes to count the exact score — it’s fine. But if you have no idea where your territory is, relying on a tool is premature and will certainly hurt your developing this ability.
Perhaps.
I guess that ”reliance” may be the operative word here. Even a human instructor can help you understand things like where your territory is, etc. and we wouldn’t want to conflate reliance with the various stages of learning that such feedback can provide.
AI can be used as an outstanding (and tireless) learning tool.
As a newbie to Go I’ve quickly come to rely on AI models as highly efficient/effective teachers. Clinically, I seem to get getting my butt kicked less severely with each successive game against the bots… so it appears to be doing something of value.
[Again, to avoid confusion, I’m not talking about playing ranked games here. I’m talking about being told by a ”reliable” source where I’ve screwed up the most - and which moves were well placed. Insights about shapes, ko, capture races, territory, … are developing along the way.]
According to my experience, losing is the way to improve your games. If you win, you probably wouldn’t find your mistakes (At least I wouldn’t), but if you lose, you would be able to find them. Sure, losing sucks, but in my opinion, the process of learning is more important.
i agree with your premise that losing is the only way t improve – but there is a caveat to that one has to win after one losses so then you know your new actions are the better moves and improving your game – with out winning anything, all then you learn is losing and how to lose becomes very strong in your repertoire. to the point of you don’t know what is the right thing to do