What non-Go book are you reading right now?

I had never heard of Silo, but you piqued my interest, so I looked it up. I’m surprised that my SF book group has not brought it up. I see that this is what is called a “pocket universe” story. Since you like it so much, you may be interested in some other stories and a film about the basic idea.

I think Heinlein’s famous story, “Universe” (1941), was the first on this idea, although set on a spaceship (together with a sequel, it appeared in book form as Orphans of the Sky). Much closer, with survivors going underground, is Daniel F. Galouye’s great novel Dark Universe, which was nominated for a Hugo in 1962 but lost to Stranger in a Strange Land; its genesis, however, goes back to a novelette he published in 1952 (undoubtedly inspired by the U.S. missile-silo system). Margaret St. Clair, who was a practicing “witch” (or more precisely a practitioner of “The Craft”), ripped off Galouye’s idea for a very weird novel, The Sign of Labrys (1963), which I don’t recommend.

George Lucas, in his first movie, was the first to put this idea into film, with his classic THX 1138 (highly recommended). Finally, leave it to good ol’ Philip K. Dick to give the idea an original twist, with the government keeping everyone figuratively in the dark by telling them that WWIII is in progress on the surface (while exploiting the population to fund and send troops to the imaginary war, where they are enslaved or killed to reduce the population), in The Penultimate Truth (1964, but based on one of his earliest stories from 1953).

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A couple weeks ago, I saw No Country for Old Men (2007) for the first time. A phenomenal suspense thriller by the Coen brothers. It takes its title from “Sailing to Byzantium,” my favorite Yeats poem since my school days. I immediately knew I must read the book of the same title by Cormac McCarthy, which I have started, even though I hated his inept and stupid science-fiction novel, The Road.

I greatly identify with the theme of the poem and movie. The future, which is now, is indeed “no country for old men.” However, Yeats’s view is hopeful, offering a prescription for the pursuit of wisdom and beauty. McCarthy, as an atheist, presents a very dark view of the theme, in which chance rules everything. I can’t say I like this, but I do admire the power of the idea’s artistic presentation—at least in the movie. We shall see what the novel holds.

Here is a clip of the most famous scene in the movie: a reminder for some, a tease for others.

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I finished Cormac McCarthy’s No Country for Old Men a week ago, but I have been a bit stumped about what to say, in part because almost anything would be a spoiler. The movie is a suspense thriller with philosophical overtones and symbols, while the book is a philosophical novel built on a suspense-thriller framework. Like most great adaptations, the movie’s Oscar-winning screenplay retains much of the book verbatim. The book has just three major differences.

Each chapter starts with a monologue by the sheriff, which beautifully illustrate the theme embodied in the title. The last was kept for the ending of the movie, but the others were very skillfully edited and rolled into the opening monologue of the movie. This was wise, because you can’t have monologues constantly interrupting the pace of a film (it’s not the same in words, which invite contemplation by nature). The second difference was the shootout in the middle of the story, which was more complicated in the book—again, simplified for film reasons.

The biggest difference was the film’s omission of a long episode (about 50 pages) near the end of the book. Moss, on his way to rendezvous with his wife in El Paso, picks up a 15-year-old runaway girl. In the course of their conversations and experiences through the day, Moss imparts a great deal of wisdom about her situation, not didactically or condescendingly, but in a natural, heartfelt manner, and then he gives her a thousand dollars to help her. The girl offers herself to him, but he turns her down because of his true devotion to his wife. The episode is superbly written and achingly powerful, because we understand that Moss—a fundamentally decent man—realizes that his momentary greed has destroyed his whole life.

This is a very sad, dark novel, much darker than the movie. Those who have seen the movie might find that hard to believe, but I assure you it is true. I felt limp and emotionally drained afterward. Fortunately, I knew the perfect antidote: I am currently reading C. S. Lewis’s Christian Reflections (a posthumous collection of essays edited by Walter Hooper). As I expected, this is a great restorative for the spirit.

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“Usurpation”, by Sue Burke, third in her “Semiosis” trilogy.

The first two books — Semiosis and Interference — I enjoyed a LOT, let’s see how this one goes.
The reviews on Goodreads are not that favourable but so far I have also read other works by Sue Burke (Immunity Index and Dual Memory) and I LOVED ALL OF THEM, for her language, for her description of the world (real as well as imagined), for her humane attitude … I’d want to invent an “Ursula K. Le Guin Award” and a “Doris Lessing Award” and award both of them to Mrs. Burke because IMHO she is right up there.

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I’ve been reading Lincoln by Gore Vidal, the second part in a series that begins with Burr, which I’ve commented on before. It shouldn’t be confused with Steven Spielberg’s film or its source material. That book and movie focus on a single episode from the Lincoln presidency, whereas Vidal’s novel follows him from his arrival as president-elect to his assassination at the Ford theater. I’ll go out on a limb here (not a long one) and say that this is as satisfying a piece of historical fiction as anything you’ll find.

The novel has half a dozen or so major figures and maybe a couple dozen more supporting players. A cast that large may seem to invite narrative chaos, but Vidal never strays far from his protagonist. Lincoln is the hub in a narrative wheel that features many spokes, some more prominent than most; among them the unstable first lady Mary Todd Lincoln; the secretary of state William Seward; and the pious but overly ambitious treasury secretary Salmon P. Chase.

I think it’s noteworthy that Lincoln is the only major figure who is presented strictly through his words and gestures. The president delivers no soliloquies here. Although he is quick to express his misgivings and doubts and anxieties, we never see any particular thought process guiding him from one crisis point to another, often turning him from the folksy raconteur into something cold and calculating and unflinching. He is repeatedly taken for a weak and vacillating leader in the earlier stages of his presidency, but by the time the war is drawing to its conclusion those same people are viewing him as positively Machiavellian. The man can play hardball when he feels the situation requires it. Ultimately it’s anyone’s guess as to which side of his personality is the truly representative one.

There are two ideas that this novel seems likely to reinforce for the reader. One of them is that the abolitionists were a more varied species than a casual glance at history would suggest. Some, such as Chase, are not only willing to go to war, but are, if anything, spoiling for that fight. Others—Lincoln among them—favour a more incremental approach. While he is celebrated today for his moral vision, Lincoln nevertheless held some views that are now considered outdated at best. He believed black people to be intellectually inferior and explored the possibility of relocating them to Central America after the war. That proposal seems to have met a cold reception from all parties concerned.

The other point of emphasis is that contractual agreements both large and small are always ultimately provisional. When Abraham Lincoln declared the slaves free, he pleaded military necessity, knowing that he lacked the authority to apply his proclamation as comprehensively as he would have liked. (The required constitutional amendment would come later). There was likewise no legal framework for him to suspend habeas corpus and impose martial law. In extreme circumstances even a constitution can become little more than words on paper. Leaders must then fall back on common sense and whatever they perceive as the lesser of two or more evils. The trouble comes, of course, when both sides in a conflict claim sole ownership of that common sense.

I had high expectations of this novel and wasn’t in the least disappointed. Now I look forward to the next instalment, 1876, if and when I get my hands on a copy.

Civil war trivia; the Union general Ambrose Burnside popularized the facial hair look originally known as burnsides. And his associate, General Joseph Hooker, became so notorious for frequenting brothels that the women working in those establishments became known as Hooker’s girls, and then simply as hookers.

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For my SF book group, I belatedly began reading The Empress of Mars (2009) by the late Kage Baker. Unfortunately, I didn’t get very far because our meeting occurred a week early and I was too busy. The book was widely liked at the meeting, and my oldest science-fiction friend liked it a lot (we’ve known each other for 55 years, and I greatly respect his opinions). Consequently, I continued with the book and am glad I did. I’m now about two-thirds done and finding it enjoyable.

The plot about colonists terraforming Mars, backed and then abandoned by a private, unethical corporation, is not really new. I haven’t read Bova’s or Kim Stanley Robinson’s Mars books, but the details echo the history of coal mining (in West Virginia and Colorado), and colonizing attempts in Africa and South America. These ideas have even been treated by Dickens in the “American episode” of Martin Chuzzlewit and by Conrad in multiple stories, most notably in “Heart of Darkness.” The startling idea of abandonment was used by William Gibson in a prescient, early story, “Hinterland” (1981), in which astronauts on a space station are abandoned for political reasons.

Nor does the book feature much in the way of new ideas. The only one that may qualify (I don’t know) is robot bees that are used to pollinate the crops.

The book’s great strength is its cast of quirky, endearing characters—down-and-outers who were the only ones willing to risk a one-way trip to Mars. The breezy, often ironic writing moves the story quickly along. The general vibe reminds me of a combination of Steinbeck’s Cannery Row (with its long-suffering but good-humored characters) and the sad barflies of Eugene O’Neill’s The Iceman Cometh. I may well look into reading some of Baker’s other books.

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Copy pasting this one … and mostly in Dutch, sorry about that

Geert Mak’s Wisselwachter is about Harry Hopkins, second hand to FD Roosevelt.

Een wervelende en persoonlijke geschiedenis over Amerika en Europa in turbulente tijden, vol dilemma’s over democratie, economie en oorlog.

In Europa kent bijna niemand hem. Toch hoort Harry Hopkins bij de handvol mensen die bepalend waren voor het lot van ons continent en ons land. Hopkins was een voormalige welzijnswerker in de arm-ste buurten van New York. Uiteindelijk werd hij de rechterhand van president Roosevelt, raakte hij bevriend met Churchill en onderhandelde met Stalin. Hij werd de stuwende kracht achter de New Deal en, na 1940, achter het geallieerde bondgenootschap dat uiteindelijk nazi-Duitsland op de knieën kreeg.

Het wervelende Wisselwachter gaat over de grote politieke bewegingen van de jaren dertig en veertig. Tegelijk vertelt Geert Mak een intieme geschiedenis van een politieke familie, de vrouwen en mannen die in die jaren het Witte Huis bevolkten. Op ongekende wijze schetst Mak het beeld van een tijd vol dilemma’s over democratie, economie en oorlog. Het zijn vraagstukken die ons maar al te bekend voorkomen.


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I was a bit in a hurry.

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Death in the Afternoon by Ernest Hemingway was published in 1932 and is still considered to be among the best books about bullfighting, at least in the English language. One very good reason for investigating what books have to offer is that they can make you reconsider ideas and attitudes and phenomena that you may have felt your mind to be settled on. The book may not change your point of view, but may very well stretch your brain in new ways, which I take to be a good thing. Hemingway was a devoted bullfight fan, and I wondered what he would make of a tradition that seems at face value to have little or nothing to recommend it.

I was prepared for a deep dive into the psychological roots of bullfighting, possibly with mystical overtones; the bullfight as an unlikely communion, an attempt to create a transcendent moment between participants and spectators. And the book does hint at that. But Hemingway is more concerned with bullfighting as tragic theater, as an art form. He explores in great detail the particulars of how the performance is meant to unfold, and the external factors that come to bear on it; everything from the selective breeding and raising of the bulls to the relationship between matadors and promoters to the traditions observed by those in attendance.

A bull enters the arena as an agent of chaos, or, at any rate, as something dangerously unpredictable. The actions that follow are intended not only to weaken the bull, but to induce a kind of tunnel vision. Ideally the matador wants the bull to come at him in a straight line, no sideways movement, as few eccentricities as possible. This allows the matador to display his artistry to maximum effect.

Some bulls can be so cooperative in this sense that they might be described as made to order. And an unintended consequence is the gradual disappearance of the complete bullfighter. Some may perform brilliantly with the cape, but not so well in placing the banderillas, or in the actual killing of the bull. Hemingway deplores this trend toward specialization and presents it as the main reason for what he considers a steady decline in the quality of these events.

Every matador understands that they are expected to perform a kind of dance with death, and Hemingway holds them to that agreement. He is generally more forgiving of obvious displays of cowardice than of maneuvers that may strike an inexperienced observer as daring but are actually a veneer of sophistication meant to cover up a determined avoidance of the danger from the bull’s horns. He reserves his greatest scorn for those who “assassinate” the bull through what might be called hit and run tactics, the placing of the sword in the neck area rather than between the shoulder blades, which would require the matador to deal with those horns.

A 2015 survey revealed that sixty percent of Spaniards dislike bullfights, yet only forty-two percent favour an outright ban. It remains controversial. Hemingway only briefly comments on the obvious moral dimension and delivers no judgements. His objective is to strip away all assumptions and social conditioning in order to examine, as honestly as possible, his reaction to the thing itself.

I do appreciate that honesty. I’m no likelier to attend a bullfight (although somewhat likelier to visit Spain). I was always a somewhat lukewarm Hemingway fan, but I expect I’ll be reading this one again.

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I’m only about ⅕ through the book, and as with ALL SF by Tchaikovsky that I have read so far — more than a dozen so far — it is AMAZING, a page-turner, outstanding world-building.

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That’s a glowing review there. If someone wanted to start/try a book of his, which one would you suggest? :slight_smile:

You asking me, @JethOrensin? About Adrian Tchaikovskys SF?

Then I’d begin with “Children of Time”. It’s also the first of his books that I read … first in a trilogy, of which I found the third book quite “difficult” to read, and I was a little disappointed, almost didn’t finish it, but then … somehow I found back into it though I’d give it only 3.5 or 4 stars (of 5).
<hyperventilating>
Wait … I see that it’s going to be a quadrology :open_mouth: with the fourth book appearing in March 2026 … I dearly hope I live to read it. </hyperventilating>

I’ve also read his “Final Architecture” trilogy, awesome also. And then several standalone SF novels, which I all enjoyed a lot.
I also have read a few of his novelettes … hardcover, bought used, and to my surprise and delight, they are “limited edition copies” with his signature, I hope those who will inherit this mess here will realize this :laughing:

limited edition copy & signature

AND I have several more of his books in my “to read” stacks :smile:

He has also written many fantasy books, amongst them the apparently famous “Shadows of the Apt” series. Hven’t (yet?) read them, as I am not really a fan of fantasy, I dig SF, and the “harder”, the better, meaning that I want SF to make sense, scientifically.


But if you ask me about contemporary SF in general I cannot omit Sue Burke

Especially her “Semiosis” trilogy, but also all of her other books.

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Thank you very much for the suggestions! I’ll definitely put “Children of time” in my “to buy” list and go from there :slight_smile:

And people sold those just like that??? That’s… well, I am at a loss for words. It is great for you, but horrible for them, I guess.

Same here… I’ve noticed that there has been some “weird SF” trend at some point and people have leaned a bit too much on the fantasy stuff, even books that had prestigious awards and stuff. I made the mistake of buying a couple of them and I was dismayed, especially from a couple of them that were clearly on the “this is the author using the book for therapy reasons” side. :confused:
So, from then on, I am trying to get SF books that come with good reliable reviews like yours :slight_smile:

I’ll put her in the list as well, though I have to be honest that this quote in the link:

“This is up there with Ursula K. Le Guin: science fiction at its most fascinating and most humane.”-- Thrillist

…makes me very worried. Le Guin’s Earthsea collection is one of the books that I’ve dearly regretted buying and it definitely belongs in the aforementioned “author used it for therapy” list.

I actually had a similar discussion with a friend of mine that likes books and she was relieved when I mentioned Earthsea as one example of “popular books to avoid”. She is in some creative writing or whatever kind of group/lessons, I am not exactly sure what that thing is, and she was getting so bullied into liking Earthsea, they had almost convinced her that something was wrong with her. :thinking:

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I only listened to Children of Time on audiobook, but it is very good. I thought the sequel was almost as good, but the high concept of the 3rd book really didn’t compel me

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Well, I myself have suggested creating a “Ursula K. Le Guin Award” and giving it to Sue Burke … and a “Doris Lessing Award” also :smile:

Le Guin wrote many more books than the Earthsea cycle (which I haven’t read), and I strongly recommend …

IMO she is (was) one of the loud and sounding voices for a humane society, for tolerance and understanding, and for breaking up of oppressive patriarchy and capitalism.

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Those are often the worse authors to read reviews for.
Not only they tend to have personal fans - people who like them for what they do outside of writing books - but if you happen to not like their books, those fans will then go after you for supposedly not liking the author or their cause.

No, I just didn’t like the book. :sweat_smile:
So, I’ve learned my lesson there. Authors with any non-book related fame are in my “tread carefully” list of “whether to read or not”.

But I didn’t know that about Le Guin at the time (she is responsible for me actually employing such a policy), so I’ve actually bought and read the “Dispossesed” and by clicking on the link you provided I had the chance to read my review of it and remember what it was about. It was not a bad book, per se, but at the end of the day it had what I now call “a terminal case of Rothfuss-itis”. (for those who do not know, Patrick Rothfuss managed to write a 1000+ pages book that failed to move the plot if his “would-be” trilogy a since centimeter. :sweat_smile: Consequently his “third book” of the trilogy has been “work in progress” for more than twelve years and it will probably never be written).

Here is my review of it:

Maybe I was too harsh? I don’t think so. Even in impromptu fairy tales there is, at least, the “standard ending” of “and they lived happily ever after”. Nope. Not even that.

I like to keep an open mind, so since your opinion on her books is good, I will probably buy one of her books and give them a try. :slight_smile:

Lucky you! I’d strongly suggest you keep it that way. If the Disposessed had at least the redeeming qualities of having the makings of a good book, if not the content/substance, the Earthsea series lacked even that. Especially the fourth book.

I honestly don’t know what to do with this.
I sometimes give some of my surplus books I have for free to a woman that leaves nearby and is an English language tutor, so she can lend the books out to her students for training, but I cannot give them that. They’ll hate the language and might ask a refund, even though it is free. :rofl:

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Le Guin’s writing was enormously influential in the field of speculative fiction, and has been the subject of intense critical attention. She received numerous accolades, including eight Hugos, six Nebulas, and twenty-five Locus Awards, and in 2003 became the second woman honored as a Grand Master of the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America. The U.S. Library of Congress named her a Living Legend in 2000, and in 2014, she won the National Book Foundation Medal for Distinguished Contribution to American Letters. Le Guin influenced many other authors, including Booker Prize winner Salman Rushdie, David Mitchell, Neil Gaiman, and Iain Banks. After her death in 2018, critic John Clute wrote that Le Guin had “presided over American science fiction for nearly half a century”, while author Michael Chabon referred to her as the “greatest American writer of her generation”.

(wikipedia)

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Good for her. She has influenced me too, since I now have to google authors before buying their book. Before that, all I had to do was just read reviews of their actual products :stuck_out_tongue:

Seriously though, I do not care about the author’s accolades, but whether the book is good or not.

For example:
Varley’s book Titanwon the 1980 Locus Award for Best Science Fiction Novel and was nominated for both the Nebula Award for Best Novel in 1979, and the Hugo Award for Best Novel in 1980.”

So, I am in a bookstore around 2009, I think? I hadn’t even yet gotten into the habit of reading book reviews online since I hadn’t considered the possibility, so I am browsing books the old fashioned way, in a store, reading the synopsis of the books and checking out things.

The synopsis looks ok, the cover brags about the awards and nominations, Tom Clancy calls Varley “the best author in America right now” (though who knows what year that right now corresponds to, but hey), calling it “the greatest science fiction epic of our time” sounds a bit too much, but “hey it did win the award, right?” and I wanted to read an SF book that I haven’t read before, so I am like “let’s give this book a chance”, so I buy it.

Result:

After that I added two policies in my book buying.
a) If it has won an award, I am triple-checking before buying. :sweat_smile: Thanks Varley.
b) If the author’s name is in larger font size than the book’s title, that is probably a bad sign and it should be mistrusted.

If anyone thinks that I was too harsh, here is a spoiler directly from the wikipedia page:

They decided, to climb… 600km… :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
The book was already nasty - in a very insane and disturbed way - but when I reached that point and read that, I was like “ok, I am done”. I tried to push through the madness, but eventually it became impossible since nothing made sense. First SF book that I didn’t manage to finish in my life.

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