2022: HOLD MY TEA! šŸµ

Surprizingly (or not) the people in Europe that have most heard all about it, are football fans due to the fame of their local team.
Sherif Tiraspol and its unique story is known to many fans that like a bit of extra trivia. :slight_smile:

Here is a very good recount of the bizarre tale of that area and that team (albeit in Greek, but you can read it with autotranslate)

Which makes all those people laughing at the image, even funnier in retrospect. Turns out, the joke was on them :stuck_out_tongue:

BUT ENOUGH 2022. I know all about what year 2023 will be:

Maybe I should put that into the ā€œhow not to get bored in a pandemicā€ thread ahahahah

(Laughs in Russian)

Would be impolite to bypass it so I won’t.

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Is magical thinking and superstition common in Russia?

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Doesn’t it come down to believing in destiny?

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I don’t know the pysch term for it, but I know what you mean. I heard a religious person saying regarding Covid-19 ā€œWe believe there’s a planā€, I think they meant some kind of divine scheme, moving in mysterious ways etc. If that helps them get through things… I guess it’s not hurting anyone for them to believe that. Personally, I’ve never really come to a conclusion as to whether false hope is better than no hope.

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Destiny usually is more about the universe having a plan, rather than a person or group of people manipulating everything.

I’d say it generally just sounds like a conspiracy theory… not sure if it has a more specific name.

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I think it is an off-shoot of ā€œmesianismā€ where the only thing that changes is that there is no coming of the mesiah, but there is a super-imposing plan anyway.

I always lean on the false hope being worse than no hope.
a) A false hope usually leads to deception.
b) a false hope can and usually does blind people to the existence of actual hope.
c) A false hope can and does lead to the persecution and targeting of people that offer better alternatives
d) No hope usually generates big revolutions that return some semblance of actual hope. Characteristic example is a written sign held in an Egyptian insurrection a few years ago where it wrote: ā€œIt is better to die for something, than live for nothingā€ , you have to get to the nothing/no hope part, to bounce back and find something to hope and fight for again. Had you been deluged with false hope, you couldn’t write or feel a credo like that.

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ā€œThis group can be saved, don’t abandon, play some moves and see what happensā€ ?

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Everything sounds quite reasonable, except point b). The EYGC 2022 will start in 1 week, many participants have already booked their flight tickets and their accomodation, it’s too late to cancel.

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I guess it’s a ā€œlet’s try to ask about it, in case we can salvage anything at allā€.

Even if they are the ones attacking, Russian citizens are currently entangled in a war and realistically some are closer than others to the main events.

Of course it’s a diplomatic statement, but basically they condemn and lay down, I don’t know what more can be asked.

EGF members (that are not currently under attack) have shown the will to keep the circle intact. I don’t know if Ukraine can see this as an attempt of support and accept it.

I hope they can work out the most calm solution.

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This is a very hard question to discuss because it depends, as so much in philosophy, on definitions and context. What is false hope, what is no hope, and how do we prove them? Is the context eschatological (or existential, if one prefers) or routine?

The issue of context is most easily dealt with. Hope obviously has a different and more important effect in the former context (ā€œI hope there is an afterlifeā€) than in the latter (ā€œI hope the grocery store has my favorite foodā€). Consequently, it is important to confine arguments to their proper levels.

Ancient texts have multiple views. Some (I don’t remember the sources now) regarded no hope as the worst punishment, and this was taken up and most famously expressed by Dante in Canto 3, ā€œAbandon all hope ye who enter here.ā€ Hope certainly nurtures the human spirit, as can be seen in most real-life survival narratives, so I would expect the loss of all hope to be absolutely crushing to the spirit. On the other hand, the myth of Sisyphus implies that false hope is worse. The question is further complicated by the strong human tendency embodied in the adage, ā€œHope springs eternal.ā€ Camus notwithstanding, I am unfamiliar with the source material for the myth of Sisyphus. However, I wonder whether Sisyphus continued due to hope or because he was Zeus’ marionette. If the former, was he really worse off, or simply an eternal, admittedly frustrated, optimist?

Cicero also weighed in on this question (in his essay, ā€œOn Old Ageā€) by arguing that death was not to be feared because if there is no afterlife then death doesn’t matter, and if there is an afterlife, then death is not fearsome if one has lived a good life. This highlights that ā€œfalse hopeā€ really can’t be determined in an eschatological context.

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I do not know any version of Sisyphus’ fate having anything to do with choice, it was a punishment.
He felt the hope of finally making it and then have that hope crushed, but this doesn’t mean he could get out of it.

His feelings were his own, not his fate, if that makes sense.

I hear there will be an EGF meeting tomorrow about the RGF.

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Yes

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Can pros from Russia and Belarus participate without using their flags? Full ban seems harsh, especially ina such small community as Go. Not sure how banning all players it affects Russian government. Seems like a… questionable moral stance to hold.

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A and B OK, C could have been handled differently.
I see they are going scorched.

Better post the original message instead of a translation of a translation.

Let me share with you the results of yesterday’s board meeting in preparation for tomorrow’s meeting.

  1. In the board-meeting we had no discussion about whether the EGF has to react to the terrible news and developments, started on 24th February 2022, from two EGF-member-countries, Russia and Belarus, against one EGF member-country, Ukraine. We have to react !
  2. In the upcoming General Meeting of the EGF the EGF board-members will have no vote, but you should know before the meeting what direction of motions are preferred by the EGF-board:
    a) Suspending the EGF-membership of Russia and Belarus, starting after the EGF General Meeting on 3rd March 2022
    b) Not allowing any European Championship in Russia and Belarus (we got interest from Russia for the European Student Championship 2022 and the European Pair-Go Championship 2023).
    c) Forbidding players from Russia and Belarus to participate in any EGF organized or EGF supported tournament. This includes tournaments at the European Go Congress, all European championships (online and face-to-face), tournaments which are part of the European Go Grand Prix, the Pandanet GO European Team Championship, any Qualification-tournaments organized by the EGF.
    Start: at once after the General Meeting, so also valid for the European Youth Championship 2022.
  3. Like other Mind Sports Organisations (Chess, Bridge, Draughts) also the IGF (International Go Federation) plans to publish a world-wide published statement, but the IGF-directors are waiting on the results of our General Meeting.
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Thank you! Passing C in the current form (full ban) would lead to interesting consequences and indicate complete misunderstanding of the situation, inducing even more xenophobia, in my opinion. I recently had a pleasure to familiarize myself with an open letter from Romanian players to stop playing with Russian players at all.

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