I am not a person to swear at people (but at bots I will, as they are not human). Under normal circumstances, I would just omit the Fing part and write it normally. As I like to be polite. But at that point, I was very frustrated, as lately I have gotten into classic board games such as chess, xiangqi, shogi, checkers and I wanted to try go as well. And well let’s say that so far, every other game has an entry level bot that is designed to lose to a player (they will sometimes win, but they mostly throw the game so that the player can win). In chess you have martin, in xiangqi you have meow, in shogi fairy stockfish etc. So I was expecting something similar in go. Well at least it’s safe to say I wasn’t expecting to get obliterated 8 times in a row. And it wasn’t even close. So I was pissed when writing this, yet I wanted to remain polite. So that’s why I wrote Fing and not the full word.
Oh, and by the way. I am still getting crushed by the bot But I did win once, by accident.
We have a big problem to reach a decent bot for beginners. We used bots originating from AI generation and it seems very difficult to make them play at lower level while keeping some interesting moves.
Maybe you could try to find one in the preAI world ?
It’s quite usual to get crushed be by humans or bots when you discover the game … and for some time, if this could make your losing streak more sweet. There is a saying “lose your first 100 games”.
Yeah no worries. I was mostly surprised by @tonybe’s answer which kept dancing around the word instead of just saying it since @Sadaharu asked.
Of course it’s good to have a polite environment, but I don’t think we should treat those words like some kind of forbidden blasphemy that cannot be written. If you go as far as writing “f#cking”, you can just write the whole thing normally and be done with it.
Start on Size 5, with you treating Draw as You Win.
Once you do well-enough at that, switch to treating Draw as You Lose.
Once you do well-enough at that, try the following things:
These are not necessarily ordered by difficulty, because I forget their relative difficulty.
(a)
Treat anything other than you win by the full board as a loss
for you, and even if Cosumi passes, keep playing until you are
extremely confident that you can capture all of the white stones.
(For this, you should play the center intersection on your first turn, since with
anything else, winning by the full board would require a mistake from Cosumi.)
(b)
On your first turn, you are not allowed to play the center intersection.
This can be made slightly harder/easier by treating Draw as a Loss/Win for you.
(No matter how you treat draws, for this I suggest you play adjacent to the center intersection
on your first turn, since my guess is that if Black doesn’t play one of the 5 centermost
intersections on Black’s first turn, then under correct play Black shouldn’t even get a draw.)
(c)
Play on size 6 instead of size 5, and treat Draw as You Win.
(For this, I recommend that you play one of the 4 center intersections on your first turn.)
The saying actually is to lose them ASAP, meaning that you should play quick games, and in rapid succession, and not think too deep while playing them. Also, I’d suggest playing HUMANS for these, not bots, as humans might review the games with you after they’re done.
I interpret the proverb as training “muscle memory”, learn to recognize Atari quickly (by the pain of not seeing it), etc.
And the original proverb is about 50 games actually, although I have also sometimes said it with “500 games” in the past
Here are some other interpretations of the proverb, as well as some discussions:
who i know how you feel exactly - i am much worse mind you than you, ten days playing and 219 games only 4 wins and none against any bots – think they could make a bot so beginners could win at least once in awhile and keep playing instead of getting discouraged and quit how are you going to build a following doing that ???
But I did win once, by accident.
