A Go quote by a Soviet chess player?

Hi to all fellow Go players,
I recently came across the following quote:
Chess is a medieval game about medieval warfare, whereas Go is an ancient game about modern warfare.
on this nice presentation of Go by Butsudoka in Boardgamegeek:

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/3638013/go-in-10-points

I tried to find out where it came from and an AI pointed out that it is attributed to David Bronstein (the renowned Soviet chess player).

Since I much more respect AI advice as a Go players than as human knowledge connoisseurs, I would love to know if anybody can confirm the AI statement about the quote.

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I have four AI at the moment on my smartphone.
Here are their take on this subject:

Gemini: the quote is from Scott Boorman’s book “The Protracted Game: A Wei-Ch’i Interpretation of Maoist Revolutionary Strategy”.
I checked :the book actually exists. I don’t know about the quote..

Copilot: the only reference is from this very post. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

Chat Gpt found a Boardgamegeek forum post where the quote is presented but not credited.
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/3638013/go-in-10-points

Claude found no specific sources or references.

Overall I’m quite satisfied that three out of four didn’t hallucinate. Gemini has frequently invented his quotes or sources in my previous chats, so I wouldn’t trust it on this one.

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I asked them about the book contents.
Three out of four mentioned a comparison between chess and weiqi tactics. It seems that the source could actually be the book, but maybe the quote isn’t from the original text. Someone else could’ve synthesized it like that.

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Thank you Lys for your accurate analysis.

I have heard before of that book, but I don’t know if I am motivated enough to actually read it. :sweat_smile:

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I asked perplexity and this was the answer:

From what can be traced, that sentence does not seem to have a “canonical” author: everything indicates it is a modern, anonymous variation of a very common theme in forums and articles, not a famous quote with a clear origin in a specific book or person. morgancreekcap

What can actually be traced

In fairly large collections of quotes about war, strategy games, and chess/Go, there is no phrase with that wording (“Chess is a medieval game about medieval warfare, whereas Go is an ancient game about modern warfare”). It also does not appear in popular articles on the history or philosophy of Go or chess, which do talk about the link between both games and war/strategy, but without that specific formulation. endgame

Searching for the literal English sentence only turns up scattered mentions in forums and blogs, with no attribution at all (i.e., someone says it right there and others repeat it, but nobody cites an earlier serious source). That absence from books, mainstream press, or signed essays is exactly what usually reveals an “internet quote” with no known parent. endgame

What idea it actually comes from

The sentence that is very widespread is something like “Chess is a battle, Go is a war”, which is even cited as “an old saying” in modern texts. That battle/war contrast is the conceptual basis of many comparisons between the two games. reddit

In parallel, it is very common to describe chess as an abstraction of medieval warfare or of European feudal structure (king, nobles, knights, peasants, etc.). And it is also common to use Go as a metaphor for contemporary strategies of power, irregular warfare, or long‑term geopolitics (China/U.S., etc.), precisely because it focuses on diffuse territorial control and the gradual accumulation of advantage. dailyworkerplacement

Your quote fuses those two metaphorical lines:

The most likely explanation is that someone expanded “Chess is a battle, Go is a war” into a more striking wording (“medieval game / modern warfare”) in some forum or article, and from there it spread without a clear author.

In short, everything points to it being a clever but anonymous paraphrase, based on very widespread tropes about chess and Go, rather than a quote that can be traced back to a famous author or a specific work.

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If this quote is from this book, the alleged author (David Bronstein) didn’t make it to the Index.
Boorman suggests parallels between wei-ch’i and Mao Tse-tung’s strategy against Chiang Kai-shek and the Nationalist armies during the Chinese Civil War, giving weight to political as well as military factors.

This book was written in 1969. In these days a lot of Western scholars flirted with Communism.

I sort of inherited this book and found a bookmark at page 26. From its contexts I gather that it is more about China’s military history than about go.
I never attempted to read this book.

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I skimmed some David Bronstein chess quotes and I’ll add that it seems a priori unlikely that he would analogize chess to medieval warfare. He seems to have thought about chess in very intellectualized, abstract terms.

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