A Semantic Game

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Beset on all sides, the No Loopholes Party will prevail!

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102

Think again @Samraku, the traitors shan’t prevail. I already have @Haze_with_a_Z on my side, and @martin3141 seems to sympathise as well for my party. Martin3141, if you’re in, please vote in my poll.
Besides, I’m willing to give away teaching games and Tinder hacks to all those who decide to join the PIG!

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@PiggyStardust I shall give you my vote if and only if you find a simple formula how to convert the move number to the corresponding move in the Thue-Morse sequence, where a passing move is inserted between two identical moves (for more detail see the other thread).

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104

Due to increased participation, it seems fair that polling should last longer. Votes will be allowed until 2020-09-08T18:30:00Z

Should @martin3141 be allowed to frolick?

  • Aye!
  • Nay
  • Null vote
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No rule said that polling had to be fair. Nothing is stopping one from rigging a poll with a ridiculously short voting duration. Even if we did mandate “fairness” (whatever that means), I would argue that a 5-hour window is still way too short.

Instead of using votes to confirm just the next frolicker, which is inherently biased in a way, wouldn’t it better to select from a list of candidates that put their names forward?

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106

Indeed there is no such rule. Let’s remember that, just yesterday, there weren’t any rules but one.

There have been many chances for players to become dictators—and indeed, many have held undue unelected power,—however, for the most part that didn’t happen. You yourself ruled by decree in trying to limit the power of the frolicker, and also ended the like trade that had been established before.

On our part, we at the NLP will always stand for the issues, not for attaining power. We stand for plurality, democracy and the law of rule, even if we are only two at the moment. We welcome the formation of new blocs, and are willing to work with those who seek to establish fairer and more consistent rules.

For the time being, one candidate polling is a traditional practice, not established in rule.

But our incipient democracy is being threatened left and right by reactionary populism. A former monarch seeks to hold onto whatever ceremonial power they used to have, and is not shy for disparaging against our party members, rigging opinion polls and spreading conspiracy theories. Others seek to do away with elections altogether.

We must withstand these attacks, or soon, all we’ll have is a sad parody of reality.

You may not wish to join the NLP, but we’ll welcome you as an observer to any meetings if you so ask.

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109

Looks like I’m unfortunately not allowed to frolick. Those lazy people who only read and not post should step up their game :wink:

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I’m with @yebellz that we should try to hold a general election. First we should decide how the election is going to take place.

I’d say the first step is establishing candidacy. Every person / party who would like to be elected as frolicker will have to announce intention to become elected. A candidacy becomes validated as soon as the candidate is endorsed by at least one other person. The selection of candidiates will take until 2020-09-12T20:00:00Z. I will make an overview of the current candidates, and the issues they stand for in my next post.

If there are any other people who would like to volunteer as candidate, please make it known.

The next part is the election itself. I suggest we should have an Instant-runoff vote to choose between the candidates, since this will prevent strategic voting and prevents the winner from being unfavoured by the majority.

Of course my suggestion is not decided in any rules, since we currently have no way of making new rules outside of them being enacted by a democratically chosen frolicker. Therefore I’m open to any suggestions to this voting system, and am ready to amend things where necessary.

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111

Current candidates

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112

Edit: Sadly, I realise that I was elected last, thus am not allowed to frolick this round. I will keep my campaign here, but am looking for someone who would like to become candidate for my party.

I was hoping to propose a vacant candidancy to be filled by whoever eligible and propose direct elections. If I were to be elected, I would enact a rule (with lots of subclauses to bypass the 78 character limit) that makes not only rulemakers, but also rules themselves democratically decided. The subclauses would involve an election protocol, which clarifies things such as minimum voting period, etc. I’m willing to discuss the details as soon as I decide on them with any potential endorsers.

This way, we have a simple, direct method of adding, amenending and deleting rules, without having to be dependent on frolicking, which will streamline our quest in finding the right method of frolicking.

I’ll call this party the Direct Voting Party, or DiVoP.

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113

I endorse @Sanonius if that’s possible

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114

I believe parties need time to discuss among themselves what exactly are their proposals going to be. We need time to set up an agenda and propose a candidacy.

I may be founder of NLP, but that does not necessarily mean that I am the candidate. Issues, not power.

In any case, let’s not set up the time for the election too soon (say, a matter of hours) because it seems that there is not enough time for a decent campaign.

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115

My Our vision for a fair order of this Commonwealth is as follows:

  1. There is an open list of “Citizens”. Anybody who wishes to do so can have themselves inscribed.
  2. Every day, a legislative comittee of three (3) called the Triumvirate is chosen at random from among the Citizens. In addition, a Tribune is chosen in the same way.
  3. The Triumviri are equal. So is everybody, actually.
  4. One of the Triumviri is the Censor and watches over the list of Citizens. Another one, the Aedil, organises the daily polls and keeps protocol of whatever s/he sees fit. The Praetor announces all of the Triumvirate’s decisions.
  5. The Triumviri make the Rules of the Game, but their decisions have to be unanimous.
  6. Every Rule made by the Triumviri must be sanctioned by all other players (Citizens and non-Citizens) in a votation by simple majority.
  7. The Tribune may formulate new Rules and enforce a votation about them, if s/he has the support of four other Citizens.
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116

yo so idk if I should be endorsing someone that idk what they are doing so could someone tell me what I am endorsing?

Currently it just seems like I am saying that piggy isn’t great and I don’t really feel the need to argue this.

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How about 3 days for campaigning before the election starts?

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118

We will need some clarification on how these rules are implemented by the Triumvirate.

Will it be the case that each time a rule is sanctioned by all other players there is a ceremonial election within the Triumvirate to choose one Triumvir to frolick and implement the rule? This would essentially be open to abuse, as the frolicker currently only needs to be chosen, but may personally choose which rule to implement (including a rule not equal to what they were chosen for).

Or will the Triumvirate establish a new rule for deciding how a rule is implemented?

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119

Here is how the DiVoP will establish a new system.

  • The primary goal is to swiftly change the current ruleset such that new rules can be estableshed only through direct voting.
  • The first frolicker will be crucial, we don’t want to risk too many people frolicking, since they could sabotage the democratic mission. Ideally we must establish a direct democracy with only one frolicker coming in between.
  • It is pertinent that rule 4 is deleted, as it prevents direct voting on rules. Note that by the subclause on rule 1, there is no consequence to deleting rule 4.
  • It is important that rule 1 is amended, to take away the power of frolicking. However, there is no rule in existence about amending rules, thus this can only be done by virtue of a new rule.
  • Currently, by the subclause on rule 1, we’re limited to 78 characters as well, since the creation of subclauses in not allowed under any of the rules.

Thus the proposed first rule that we will strive to implement:

Rule amending happens by strict majority in elections with more than 3 voters.

Additionally rule 4 is deleted.

Once this rule is implemented, we can amend rules, we will immediately propose to amend rule 1, and remove the despotic powers of those who frolick. This will also render rule 13 obsolete, thus we can amend it to make rule deletion only possible through democratic vote.

Finally, now that the danger of frolickers has been neutralised, we can propose a new rule that deals with adding subclauses, and rigidify a fair voting system.

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120

Wow, now we have people forming parties and writing manifestos. See, I told you that introducing “democratic” mechanics would open up a whole can of worms.

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121

A Return to Despotism!

This is not a party, but rather a movement of sheer will! Our aim will be to overthrow the establishment of democratic institutions and return this game to a battle of individual wits, where might ultimately makes right!

We will strive to introduce the following measures:

  1. Abolish the rules propping up the so-called democratic order!
  2. Establish rules that gives each victorious frolicker the means to determine their successor! Upon reaching the triumph of frolicking, they shall submit a tsumego, and the first person to solve it will become the next despot!
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Now that everybody is so serious creating parties, my program looks shallow. @Haze_with_a_Z, if you stick with me, I’m coming up with something. Also, @yebellz, my program, coming in my next post, might interest you, since your measures are too severe to meet the consensus of the people (remember that we’re already in a democratic order, even if unstable).
Nevertheless, I think a democratic society works too smoothly to ensure fun. What I propose is a kingdom, whose stability will be determined by the consensus of the plebs. Program in my next post.

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