Nah, you’ll fit right in. 
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I did not mean this in an offensive way but apologies, Gia. I do respect all you wonderful people on here 
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Why is it always Sweden that does things best?
I am finishing up school and have been busy this last year but you all will here a lot more from me this summer a little more as I plan to get back into the game and the forums here some more!
(Sorry that this comment is off topic though) 
More than 1000 replies, one of the longest threads here. Just wanted to say that I saw all this coming as evidenced by the fact that it is I who created this thread. I’m a prophet.
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To get things back on track, I did not necessarily mean the quarantine now isn’t working so much as what I think after the quarantine is done. It is definitely slowing the spread down, I just think that when things do open back up it will just explode again being that it is as contagious as it seems to be so far. That is why I find it counterproductive. But the idea of “flattening the curve” with the fact that the medical field isn’t quite as exhausted with the quarantine is one solid refutation to that opinion. I sincerely appreciate the hard work medical professionals have put into all of this to fight the virus. And yeah, even if people have the option of going back out it won’t necessarily jump start the economy right away as people will still be concerned. Also, I obviously live in the US, but those of you from other countries have a different way things are sometimes handled in a time like this. We are very reliant on a strong workforce here for just life in general, and I am proud of that, but in time likes this it is hard on the economy.
In general, I just really question the validity of the statistics. I would be a lot more concerned and probably think differently if there was a much higher death rate than what I anticipate in reality. There seen to be plenty of people that are asymptomatic in general and I think that a lot of people just don’t want to get tested even if they think they have it because it could expose them further. Or, like the part of the US I live in, testing isn’t even an option for me unless I come down with a serious case of this disease. There are a ton of people in my state who have just been told to self quarantine for two weeks because they show the symptoms but are not a high priority for testing. Nearly all of them have recovered. It is little tidbits of information like this that make me wonder how serious this actually is, hence why I think that by jumping through these hoops we are causing more harm than good. We just don’t know.
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Another thing to consider beyond the simple mortality rate is the lasting effects in many recovered patients as well. There have been a considerable number of cases of moderate to severe, long-term lung and neurological damage from the disease as well. “Not dead” doesn’t necessarily mean “ok”.
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Meanwhile…
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Additionally, the mortality rates we’re seeing are “with a response”. If we were to let this spread to the point of hospitals being unable to keep up, that skyrockets as people who could be saved die without receiving necessary care.
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That is very true @polar-bear! I appreciate your response! People are not necessarily okay if they simply live, there are other problems as well that sometimes come up. I agree.
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We definitely don’t want hospitals to become overly exhausted, that is very true. However, from what I understand, at least where I live, most people are not even hospitalized and recover just fine.
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@Mr.GoBoard, your arguments are powerful even if no one here can find the truth in its pockets.
I celebrated today the second consecutive month of lockdown in Rome. I followed seriously the indication received with the civil sense that is expected from a responsible person (I have two children that could have the age of the most of you here). I’m also so lucky to have my mother still alive at the tender age of 88. She still remembers IIWW clearly and she reported so many incredible stories of the war she lived in the first person that I can only say – I’m really lucky, after all. They are asking me to stay at home watching movies on Netflix, working all day as usual even if in a different place, preparing exquisite dishes during the weekend that I never had the chance to cook before… – so, where is the problem?
My problem is: I now work more than before. I stay in front of my PC from 8 o’clock in the morning until 7 in the evening or even 8. No one respects anymore of your private time. My agenda is a chain of conf calls without any gap from the end of a call and the beginning of the next one. This all day. During the working week, I often do not have the time to prepare something to eat at noon. In the evening I have to prepare dinner, so no chance to make a little walk around my house block. No chance to see anyone for a beer, to make some funny discussion, no women to court, no sun, no spring’s breeze. On Saturday I finally have the chance to exit to buy groceries. There, 2 hours to get into the supermarket, patiently waiting for your turn in the queue. People are 3 meters apart one from another. Our masks put on the face make difficult the breathing (the sun in Rome in this period is yet a Leon). After that, you must run at home to prevent frozen foods from thawing. When at home, you have to arrange a washing machine, hang out the laundry, clean a little bit of your house. If you want to relax a little you can rely on another monitor for a movie. Or another monitor for a video chat with friends. Or another monitor for a Go match. Or another monitor to stay informed with news.
In the end, the cycle start again. Over and over again.
Is this life?
How long I could resist this way? If I’m responsible and I take all the required measures to prevent infections (from others and toward others), why I should stay confined in this manner?
I’m starting to think that it is better to take my risks and try living a little more.
“Carpe diem quam minimum credula postero” was used to say Latins (“grab the day trusting as little as possible in tomorrow”).
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Just don’t forget that you are putting others at risk too.
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I think the answer is in a balance between total lockdown and free-for-all. Best of both: keep the curve flattened and keep people sane. It ought to be possible, but only after hospitals are ready for it, until then we have to just wait it out, sadly…
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As always when I drive my car.
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I really feel for you. In one of the countries that was hit the worst, two months in quarantine and not really seeing the end of it, with real-life responsibilities still ongoing and not asking if you can handle them… It’s not easy.
I expect all of us to come out of this changed. A few screws bent for me, for sure.
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I can see such changes in a lot of persons close to me. And what I can see don’t like to me.
I feel that out there, there aren’t enough psychologists to fix all our souls after this.
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Has anyone seen updated, reliable information about how long the virus lives on surfaces? Now that measures are being lifted, we’ll need a viable way of dealing with things from outside.
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Good question. If anyone is able to answer please include frozen surfaces. Freezing usually damages cell walls if I remember correctly but viruses don’t have cell walls and ofc frozen stuff travels all over the world.
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Aerosol and surface stability of HCoV-19 (SARS-CoV-2) compared to SARS-CoV-1
The New England Journal of Medicine doi: 10.1056/NEJMc2004973
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