Best Go server?

Which Go server do you think is the best? Which ones do you use most?

I only played some games on KGS. I had 2 account both automatically deleted for inactivity. I actually did not played in there since either I lost games and got lower ranking or when I was winning the other user disconnected or just hang doing nothing and my rank did never got up. So I played mostly with new users and most of them were not actually new. Also waiting for a game took a lot of time. Be aware that I was not playing blitz games. Mostly I think something like 45 seconds per move.

Other server I try to played was IGS but I had problem with client. I could not start or I could not login to account… I have played recently on that server and everything seems fine. However I think rankings are a little strange. I had only 3 games though. Still all players were a lot better even though one resign after I got a lot of his stones through ladder. Nevertheless I could see the guy was far better than me.

Overall I think OGS is the best. It has really nice interface and admins are really there. I did not had so much offers of reviewing after finish like in KGS but i know they are groups for that.

What do you think about Tygem? Is it good? I read that it does not have good ranking systems.

Don’t you think that you will get a very biased sample of answers here?

Anyways, in my experience, for tygem, you better have windows, for kgs you better be at least 12k on ogs.

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Well duh, OGS of course, for a million different reason.

I also like DGS since you know, it’s browser based, graphics remind me of 90s and it’s only for correspondence games.

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So far, I only play on OGS and personally find it to be the best Go server.

How dare you ask that here! :smiley:
You wouldn’t go to a christian church to ask what religion is best, would you? :smiley: (although now that I think about it it could be sort of fun… :smiley: )

LOL, you know, I never really was a big fan of our tag line:

But you know what? I believe it’s true.

I first played online on KGS, I think (but I still also have an olden IGS acct), and I have mostly fond memories of KGS, but never really liked having to depend on JAVA … then I got Online Go Anxiety and switched to DGS for correspondence games, and aah, no more extra software needed … then came the nice but short-lived kaya.gs which also ran in a browser, and then … tadaa, nova.gs sprang into existence, I went bananas for the awesome Web interface, PLUS it offered so much: live games AND correspondence AND analysis function, all in a browser tab, so I stayed there.

AND then came the merger of nova.gs with the old OGS, and I still haven’t found anything better :slight_smile:

I still visit KGS sometimes, usually for watching a game of Zen19 against some strong human player, and I still have in mind to play a few games there to find out what my rank there would be these days—IIRC I left KGS when I was 13k there, now I’m around 10k here, could probably be 7k or 8k there meanwhile, I guess :smiley:

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If you are in 15K range (16-17? here), it’s almost impossible to find any games at your rank. Actually, getting a game there is a bit painful process. There is also no “limit rank” option like here. At the same time, KGS client has the best scoring and sgf editing tool.

Another one you should check out is IGS go server.

Since online-go is my first ever Go server when I picked up Go this April, I’ve always been a quiet loyal member to this website. The fact that I play here most probably gives away my vote.

However, in my double digit kyu days I ventured forth into the territories of KGS, IGS, FoxWeiqi and Tygem. Here’s a then-double-digit kyu’s viewpoint on the servers:

KGS:
I’m a perfectionist when it comes to design, and I could not tolerate the 1990 style KGS GUI littered with rounded buttons and muted grey colours. To me it looked old, outdated and unappealing.

While that was discouraging, I had a lot of troubles finding a game (as mentioned by previous posts). I was 15 kyu (OGS) when I got on to KGS, there were hardly any fellow DDKs there. Mostly all single digit kyus. It would seem like other 12 - 15 kyus refuse my game request even though we’re ranked similarly (and I made sure I wasn’t given handicaps or more komi), not sure if they just hate my username or something…

In terms of play style, at least in my DDK viewpoint, it felt like 80-year-old grandpa’s go: it’s very framework v framework and territorial. I enjoy fights and mess on the board.

Unable to find many games, I grind my way up to 12 kyu on a 12k bot. Only then did I mange to find a game. It took way longer than here, and I didn’t want to go through the trouble again.

One thing I do like about KGS, is how accessible the teaching games are. I played a few games with dan level players, and they pointed out my mistakes and got me better at the game. There are separate rooms and members are very active there. The fact that there’s a live chat that is easily accessible is very handy. Maybe on OGS the public chat should be made more accessible (rather than a link on the top bar).

IGS
Frustrated at how long it took to find a game, I quickly decided to seek some other servers. I forgot where I heard of IGS, maybe on sensei’s library. Nevertheless, it’s more of a Japanese server. GoPanda2 client looked stunning, and the go board looked marvellous. I played about 100 games on there just because I was hooked to how aesthetically appealing the client was (I know, I’m a pushover when it comes to that). At first I thought the players said “Hi!” every game by themselves, and I was pleasantly surprised at how friendly they were… Until i realised it was an automated message, then I doubted how necessary that was to implement.

Playing there has improved my strengths, going up to around 13k. I do have to say, the DDK there have a very annoying play style. Lower DDK prefer to lean on your stones and build borders all the time. These games are boring because there’s 0 action. It’s all outline vs outline.

Then there are those who, at endgame, will not stop playing stones in your territory in hopes that you blunder and they can get something out of it. Trust me, they’ll reduce your large space that even a dan level player would know it’s impossible to live in, into nothing but single eye spaces, leaving a trail of dead stones in their wake. They refuse to pass moves and are extremely persistent with hopeless things. Honestly, I really want them to stop wasting time and get on with it. On a bad day, this can drive me insane.

The other thing about this server is that the ranking process is too slow, time setting is not flexible enough (often having very long games due to the canadian time setting everyone uses). The slow ranking process means that the player skills are very inconsistent with their rank. I played against 12 kyus who demolishes me, but I also played against 8-9 kyus, winning with ease.

Ok, in terms of real player style here: the DDKs will just try and surround and kill. Your knights approach to a 4,4 will almost always be answered by a kick. Sometimes going as far as removing your base as soon as you extend. Players hardly resign, at least not the ones I played against, and they’ll do anything to win. Good fighting spirit.

FoxWq / Tygem
It seems like it is a trend with Asian servers that the players are generally much more aggressive (compared to, say, KGS). In my 12 / 10 k days I went to these servers for a change and got wrecked by a 16 kyu because I was horrible at fighting. I definitely recommend playing a lot on Tygem, because fighting is an important skill. Playing a lot here has allowed me to differentiate what is a reasonable fight and what is not a reasonable fight to start.

I specially enjoyed the poor english translations on these clients. Partly because I’m Chinese and I know very well why the english is translated poorly: sometimes a phrase in Chinese is said differently than how it is expressed in English, and a ‘brute force literal translation’ just doesn’t work!

There are some very bad mannered users here, though. Some wants to start counting at move 20. Some refusing to count when all dame has been occupied. Some straight-up leaves when they know they’re about to lose. Then there are those who seem to have connection issues, and the timer freezes on them. A game I had lasted for an hour because that person was having connection issues. For each move I play I’d wait at least 2 minutes for his move. But then the timer says I used more time than him… Oh yes, and I love the sandbaggers. This 18 kyu with 1k wins and 7k losses desscimated me across the board, only to resign and give me the win. Gosh what a weird feeling.

OGS
Ah, back home. I love OGS because how easily accessible it is: no downloads, just a URL and away you go. That is not to say it doesn’t need more work, but then again, that’s just how servers go. The players here seem to be a bar stronger than what the other servers indicate. A 10k here plays just as well as some 8k on other servers. There’s a nice variety of play style: some aggressive, some too passive, some defensive, some territorial, some influential. I also enjoy the rank system, one because it’s fast to grow and drop, allowing one to assess their true strength in a few games (whereas i’m still a 11k+ on Pandanet because I couldn’t be bothered playing that many games to rank up and the play style there gives me more headache than I can handle). The other one, too, since it is a bar above the ranks of other servers, having your goal set at 1 dan means you’re probably a 2 dan when you’re 1d on OGS :wink:

I definitely recommend on playing all of these servers. The servers, just like people, have quite a bit of diversity to them, and to be able to adapt to change is also part of becoming a truly skilled Go player.

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Just find this thread. Yes, I would vote for both DGS and OGS as best servers.

For live and blitz games, OGS is number #1, no doubt about that. I had same issue as OP, spent lots of
time at KGS and due to some life events that I was idle for couple of months, and later found out that I lost my rank at KGS. This was none sense. Further, I think OGS web based is better than KGS java based GUI.

I tried IGS recently, and I actually like IGS for GUI and easiness to get game. But IGS ranking and rating system is way inferior to OGS. It needs 10 games net winning to be promoted and DDK range at IGS is full of sandbaggers, not real. Ranking and rating at OGS is a lot better.

For turn based games, I would vote for DGS as best, OGS as close second. The DGS ranking system is best, fast and quick adjustment with lots of dan/kyu level bots. OGS corresponding games are comparable, but lack of working bots and ranking system is slower on adjustment compared to DGS. It is a lot easier to get proper ranks at DGS. I think DGS has this ranking system and bots edge against OGS so far.

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