Just for fun, because I’m about 50 stones weaker than that:
My instinctive move would be definitely to play in there, maybe M11, then instantly remembering all the stronger players who have told me to not play contact moves, and I would have moved to M10 or L11.
People who have played with me can vouch that getting between the stones fits my MO. 
Very poorly handled by the AGA.
City League organizers should have responded to questions about anti-cheating measures from the Montreal team. In my opinion they should have some but if they decided not to then they need to make their stance clear.
There is no way to ensure integrity of the games without video so they made a decision to have an invent that allowed cheaters and then harshly punishes a team that suspects cheating.
I guess you can look at this in many ways but here are two sides: The accusers willingly entered into a tournament with no integrity so they should never post something publicly and deserve to be punished for complaining about the lack of integrity.
Or the accused entered into a tournament where they could have the game of their life vs someone six or seven stones stronger in an event with no integrity and should have taken precautions (recorded themselves) to avoid being shamed and having their reputation tarnished.
I think these example perspectives place all the blame on the AGA.
What likely happened is that the 1k did cheat (I strongly believe so) and the AGA doesn’t have the resources or are just too lazy to investigate and convict of anything other than a player playing 100% blue moves on the latest KataGo network. Making a public post at least crowdsources the investigation. Sure it is ugly in this moment, but if he was falsely accused then he will easily be able to show a good record vs 4d+ in the future and his reputation will recover.
This is part of what I would suggest. I would tell participants that they need to provide accounts on go servers and record themselves (over the shoulder facing the monitor) if they want to be cleared of cheating.
The recording itself should be 99% but having dozens of game records of a player will also help any investigation.
I don’t think it is a good idea to require recording because not everyone has the means for it, but without recording it is enter at your own risk(of being accused of cheating)… and honestly if you are accused of cheating and didn’t cheat there are so many ways that you can prove your skill level. False accusations don’t cause as much harm as some people in this threat make it seem.
I have a probably stupid question, but it also probably has an obvious answer, so:
Is there a standard with earphones? I’m usually with headphones on, listening to music, but on a recording someone can’t know if I’m listening to italo-disco or have some Dan whispering katago predictions in my ear. I’ll have to blast my laptop speakers I guess, or the video has to have sound on?
And of course people who use hearing aids, which is a different issue altogether.
Has this come up? Is there some consensus?
I don’t think you are going to stop a smart and determined cheater… but thankfully that is like an oxymoron. A cheater is lazy.
Unless we are talking about big prize money, you don’t need anything even approaching foolproof. You just want deterrents. Requiring an accomplice is a MAJOR deterrent.
Weren’t there people caught in chess tournaments having these morse-code zappers hidden under their trousers?
This one?
No officer, I was just using it to cheat in a chess tournament!
Well he was determined but not smart - it sounds like he got caught in the same day. 
At first I thought that a public accusation regarding botting was poor behaviour on the team’s part (even if it was just one member acting on it) and that the disqualification was justified because in team events you’re responsible for more than just yourself.
However, this person is pretty clearly a cheater if you know what to look for. The fact that the report got overturned is sad and ridicilous. In that case, making this public becomes more about showing AGA’s inability to identify blatant cheating, which should be public knowledge. Perhaps this is not the best method to make it so but I can hardly blame the clearly wronged party for making a scene about such an atrocious decision. Such clear lack of common sense on the end of organizers deserves public discussion.
Another fact that has been overlooked: on board 3, the 6 dan from Montreal lost convincingly against a 4 dan.
The 4 dan also cruised towards victory on the three previous rounds against 4d, 5d and 5d opponents. Now, the strength difference between 4d and 6d is not so huge, and the 4d may just be sandbagging, so suspicions on this player (if there are any) must be low, but this may have added to the frustrations of the Montreal team.
I didn’t go into the details of what considerations OGS takes into account, what tools we have to decide, because as soon as we share that botters can use that to hide.
So I won’t go on to explain why although that looks like a deliberate mistake, there’s still not enough evidence in this one game to refer it to the Dan mods - who have extremely limited bandwidth to handle anything other than the most pressing cases. If we had infinite Dan level resource available to asses botting reports, kyu Mods wouldn’t even have to screen them…
Note that I didn’t say that I didn’t think cheating happened. What I said was that to conclusively declare it, more evidence was needed, and let’s collect that.
You have to take into account that as soon as you confront a botter (an unpleasant task, which few if any of the participants in this conversation have had to do in real life) you have to be able to withstand their upmost protestations.
Therefore the more evidence the better.
Which comes back to the AGA’s bad process in this case. Given that there is no doubt whatsoever that the game is at least suspicious, the AGA needs a process to manage such suspicions, much as we already do have here.
That is certainly true. Especially if the cheater knows how detection is done. So the best that people who hope to limit botting can do is weed out the stupid ones. At least we live in happy ignorance of the smart ones…
I can’t believe dream cheated on his Minecraft speedrun…
None of those moves are that beyond me as a 2kyu, believe or not, when I read the whole game through.
But I understand reading other people’s game vs playing myself, especially playing correct moves consistently are very different things.
I will give you some examples:
I totally felt the same on your assessment for the first 70 moves. White forced black to box itself in. If we take out 70 moves. The AI matching rate would not be that impressive.
Move 41, my first thought was Q4 to defend the corner, 6 point better than black’s move.
Move 73 is just shape. Let’s not take Korean pro’s opinion too much. For one, they are bias’d and maybe just being nice. For two, the info is from Remi’s friend. I don’t think a pro understands kyu player’s mindset.
Move 93: seen that from my opponent at same level surprisedly. Always want to use that.
Move 105: I will very likely play A or M9 possibly in a second. Not because I can read out the death or live situation on the right side, but because I’ve been watching lots of pro games/teaching video. One of the Chinese 6P constantly commented this kind of situation not to backdown.
Move 107: I definitely will consider deep invasion of this area. Not sure I can play best moves. The first choice is 108.
Keep in mind, I don’t read out all possibilities, then play. One reason is I can’t, the other is I have not established that good habit, which is my focus of training now. What I am telling myself is also in a tournament to watch the clock and play the instinct.
On AGA decision, I am not a fan and can understand certain way. Remi went public to accuse a fellow association member and named name. Note, AGA and CGA just formed North America Go Federation. Most of the time, we just think USA and Canada are one country. This was after AGA was investigating Team Montreal’s complain.
Imagine, someone complained to HR for sexual harassment, and HR accepted the case, then this person went in public to name the employer and the harasser.
Not to prove 1kyu not cheated, remember he did not have the burden to prove innocent, move 105 itself can win him the case in the court of AGA. AGA can not possibly charge him.
If he indeed cheated, it was a human, not AI in my opinion. If he did not, he had improved dramatically. I did also check his AGA games back to 2018/2019(don’t remember exactly), presumably in person games at the time. He did beat a 1.6d once.
Another way to look at the game is this is a handicap game because of Remi’s slack performance in the first 70 moves.
Last, for a 8p to go public that aggressively attack a 1kyu, mocking him 10 years on 1kyu, is a very low class act.
One more fact, team cincinnati has two 4D, one 2D, one 1D, one 1 kyu players. team montreal has 8p, two 6D, two 4D(may not be exactly, but should be close). Montreal cruised the first three rounds and 8P did not play the fourth round against Cincinnati. Why?
| Montreal | Cincinnati | Score |
|---|---|---|
| B Avery Deng (Avery007) 5 dan | W Ning Shao (swimleo) 4 dan | B+Resign |
| W Remi Campagnie (RemiCam) 6 dan | B Tong Qiu (qtmason) 1 kyu | B+2.5 |
| B Manuel Velasco (Goprince) 6 dan | W Karl Wei (kwei) 4 dan | W+Resign |
Does anyone remember 1982 world cup, Germany vs Algeria? In the pre game interview, the Germany coach said: they(his players) don’t need a coach.
Result: Germany 1, Algeria 2.
Karma. haha
Did you miss the part were they give the katrain settings that replicate his moves in this game and 2 others were he had suspicious upsets?
I think they amended that claim. Something about how katrain spends more time on certain game moves depending on how you run the analysis (something about what you do in the program before or during the analysis and not waiting for the full review to finish.)
No, i would ignore all opinions from Remi’s friends. When you assume one is guilty and dig deep to find evidence, he will never be innocent.
To me, move 41, 105 and many yose moves tells me he did not use AI, unless you show me a different AI gives me different assessment than OGS one. If he were accused by using a human aid, I would have nothing to say.
To me, Remi hired a group of high paid lawyers to present the case, while this poor guy does not have one.
Again, be graceful, give people benefit of doubt, would be the right thing to do.
Not a comment on the situation per se, but this will never not be iconic.
If you ignore all evidence presented by the only party looking for them, what’s left?