What luck it came out in tournaments I don’t play in tournaments EGF -Registrations 5 years. It came out didn’t know they changed their levels to weaker than they used to be
Could be. I m no expert in rating system, I think @gennan has more expertise as me.
The thing is that some national federation like to have their own and some don’t care and use the EGF one.
In fact one of the major reason of the existence of EGF is to determine the access to some world amateur championships and so to manage the results and pairing of tournaments in the whole Europe.
Recently they manage access to the professional status too.
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Are you sure? I haven’t heard that the EGF rating have been increased for all EGF members.
Thank you very much for understanding me. I agree with every word you said here.
Ya, probably should find @gennan and ask about the behind the scene stuff someday.
It’s fascinating to me to see a Go system that is still in the process of evolving, like watching history unfold in real time. Recently US Go Congress invited two Taiwan pros to their master tournaments, so exciting to see the NAGF as well as EGF’s connection to the CJKT associations over time.
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Yes absolutely.
Historically the EGF was built to send representatives from the different European countries to the world amateur championship. Since then it developed a bit further like teaching, promoting go. We had some recommendations about health (not using drugs policies for example).
But most activities are in fact organized by the national federations, Even I think the European Go Congress. (Under the scrutinity of the EGF)
I am in favor of always participating in the action in the mikveh. European and American professionals invited the largest makshen tournament in Korea to select Korean makshen players.
IIRC, there is a “European team” (although they were invited by a Chinese University 清华围棋基金队) to join the Chinese C league (圍丙)。
As long as you can see the games on the computer and the Chinese government blocks these things, it would show the world and allow it, perhaps because of politics.
You can. And EGF has listed their games
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There is one problem, if that is what it is. It was not broadcast live to the YouTube audience.
I understand it’s an emission issue that China doesn’t want too much contact with the West. In my opinion, they owe it to the Kora League that I showed you earlier.
The relative quiet has more to do with this is relatively low tier tournaments (the lowest level league), since EGF players are simply not good enough to “rank up” to higher tier league (above C leauge, there are B league, and then A league)
And you can find plenty of live stream A league games on Youtube. It’s like nobody would want to broadcast university basketball games, but NBA games.
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Korean league has to do with Korean Baduk Association, nothing to do with Chinese Weiqi associations. Whether Korean league to invite foreign teams is up to KBA.
I understand that Snow White is at a low level, at the level of Europe, versus the high level of China. They must give them between 3-4 stones to European professionals. I still take the approach of letting them be in League A. You will see a generation of European professionals closing the gap with all East Asian professionals within 3 years.
It’s usually not the custom for pro games to give handicaps, but only even games. And I do hope pros in NAGF and EGF can catchup to CJKT pros someday. From this year’s US Go Congress results, with two of Taiwanese pros dominating all the AGA pros, there is a long way to go.
Gib, I can give you an example of AlphaGo Zero, which must give the strongest player in the world of Go 3-4 stones against a European player 5-7 stones.
After practicing and training with Go AIs for years, CJKT pros have been getting closer and closer to GO AIs nowadays (at least getting used to AI styles comfortably). As you said they used to lose with 3 to 4 handicaps, but nowadays, if you go to Foxwa, you will find that the challenge games for FineArt (one of the strongest Go AIs, and winners of almost all Go AI tournaments) are now at full pages of 2 handicaps games, and it doesn’t always win. It’s now about 10% to 15% of the 2 handicap games human pros can win. A few even no handicap no komi game. The strongest pro in the world Shin Jinseo in his interviews, he said he is confident to play FineArt at 2 handicaps, and other pros are catching up.
We can even see based on AI analysis, it used to be considered extremely rare to see 60% accuracy or 30% top 3 match rate, but nowadays, CJKT pro games are full of 80% or even close to 90% accuracy in the very top match, and 60% and higher top 3 match rate, and their average point loss below 0.1 pts per move. And they are still improving.
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I agree, but I wish they would do it. Alpha Zero plays Smoltani against Maktshanim. First game without an advantage, then a second game with an advantage, according to what Alpha Zero tells them.