I have a question, what level is considered an OGS dan? Like records or before 1920? Because someone said that even 1K OGS is considered a dan in Europe, something like that.
Considered by whom?
I always thought that the ranks called “dan” were considered “dans” at OGS…
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I’m just trying to figure out when it’s considered dan because there are 1st-level players who are dan in Europe or America. OGS is stronger than an average level of dan 1.
Right but “Considered by whom?”
We (the people in the OGS forum) talk about Dans as being the people who have a D in their rank.
It was not that long ago that OGS ranks were calibrated to fall between the European and American ranks, if I recall correctly.
“Dan” is a relative term. It means “whatever the people who speak it mean”.
I could be wrong, but personally I think that at OGS you are a Dan if you have a D in your rank.
Certainly when I say “A Dan moderator looked at your report and said you were cheating” I mean “A moderator with a D in their rank”.
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Well, thanks for explaining, if there were any other people who wanted to respond in time. I just said that I heard rumors that there are lines 1 and 2 OGS that are Dan 1-2 in the real world.
What is a 1-2 dan in the real world? That depends of where you are too .
So you have to give first from which ranking system you got it.
Then we could try to answer your question although it’s not so easy because we miss datas.
In tournaments, for example, it’s the real world.
In tournament is not enough. Because tournaments don’t use the same ranking system according to which federations they belong
It’s great to have other people respond of course, but still I feel compelled to question this.
What do you mean by “Dan in the real world”? There is no single worldwide Go rating.
I just asked a question, when are players in OGS considered dan? If it’s not clear, that’s fine. I just asked out of curiosity.
Just curious, although I am familiar with the East Asia CJKT ranking system, but not so much with EGF rankings. Does every association in Europe that is part of the EGF follow the same ranking regulation and rating? If so, what is the history when they unified?
I am not aware of the last years practice but french players and German players used their own national rating system. Swiss uses the EGF one.
Thank you very much for your help. I don’t know your language, you don’t know mine. That’s okay. Have a good week ahead.
I saw this on EGF
Does it mean that not every associations agree upon the commission of EGF?
Well usually the national rating is used to pair players in a local tournament. Then the results are communicated to the EGF and therefore integrated in the EGF rating
Thank you very much for your help. I don’t know your language, you don’t know mine. That’s okay. Have a good week ahead.
It’s a shame that English is the official language of the world.
It’s hard to speak many languages you know. Besides there is no official world language.
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If the rating formula is different between each association and with EGF, then wouldn’t the rating of each of them drift apart over time?
You’re not imagining things - OGS ranks are kind of a mess around the dan level. The reason is probably that stronger players tend to prefer other servers, so there might not be enough games for the algorithm to calibrate itself properly.
The literal answer to your question is “an OGS dan is any player whose rank is 1d or higher”. But an OGS 1k is likely to be dan level in every other ranking system that I’m aware of, online or IRL. I know OGS 1k’s that are 6d on Fox, for instance. Most of the OGS 1d’s that I have spoken to are around 4d AGA.
It would be nice if there were a set of knowledge / skill milestones that we could use to gauge ratings a bit more objectively, but I’m not sure such a thing exists. Informally the milestones for 1d would be something like: proficient with basic life and death, consistently spots basic tesujis in games, familiar with basic joseki and their followups, familiar with basic middlegame plans (using moyos, using influence to attack, sabaki / light reduction, etc.) On OGS I think you start to see this around 2k-3k, which lines up with the anecdotal comparisons above.
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