5x5 board
each player starts with 125 stones
the object of the game is to exhaust your 125 stones first
you can play suicide moves
tell me what you think, thanks!
so black always wins?
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Maybe not if white can prevent that black has legal moves for a while?
Forget that, as suicide is allowed.
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if youre kinda trying to get the most stones on the board, i think white has a 50/50 chance to win
If the goal of the game is simply to play all your stones first with legal suicide and black plays first, I don’t see how white can ever win.
Is there is some other rule about territory or stone counting also involved?
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If nothing ever prevents black from playing a stone, black will just always have their stones depleted when white has still one stone left.
So what can prevent a player from playing a stone?
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so think about when you win a game of 9x9 as white, if playing with stone scoring you have more stones on the board
so white has exhausted more stones than black
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Can you define exhausting a stone?
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playing a stone from your pile of 125
so, on a 5x5 board the winner of a regular game will have the most stones on the board (we’re using stone scoring)
but after the game is over (all groups have 2 and only two empty spaces) that next person will play a stone leaving one of their group with only 1 empty space, at this point the next player will kill that group, by playing in the last empty space of that group
basically, if the object of the game is to get the most stones on the board, you can keep playing the game forever, just counting how many of your stones have been removed from the board
(counting how many stones youve had removed from the board, and counting how many stones you’ve played from a pile of 1000 stones, is the same thing)
Imagine a 1x1 board. Each player has a pile of 2 stones. Black plays their first stone, it has no liberties and is removed from the board. White plays their first stone, it has no liberties and is removed from the board. Black plays their second stone and wins.
How is your game different?
ETA:
I won’t fill in my own liberty, I’ll just suicide my stone in one of the opponents eyes.
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on a 19x19 board, we play stone scoring
so if i win, i’ve played more stones than you have
I think what people are getting at is that if you “exhaust a stone” as long as you can make a move, and suicide is legal, then is there ever a situation where you can’t make a move as black?
If not, then black will always play their 125th stone first, no matter what happens on the board.
You can lose badly as black so that the board position is just white with single eyes, but as long as it’s legal to play a suicide move in those eyes, you don’t miss a turn, you always exhaust a stone, and so white can never take the lead.
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Let me propose a variant of OP’s suggestion. Each player starts with n stones, suicide is allowed. Passing is allowed only if you don’t have any stones left. The game ends once both players pass, and the winner is the player with the most stones on the board (regardless of their life and death status).
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There’s a number of variations you could do, that will be similar in some sense, like you can play Go with a capture limit that depends on board size, so first to N captures wins. That’d be a bit like blooms.
Or you can forbid single stone suicide and try and keep the OP idea, but it’s a bit like playing several games of Go back to back, except the first stone will end up somewhere silly. As in say black “wins” game 1, and has stones left over, they fill in their single eyes and leave the last one on the edge. White captures the board, and now is kind of playing a new game where their first move was on the first line for some reason. Except at some point one of the games might end abruptly when the stones run out.
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19x19 board, suicide is allowed
each player gets 3000 stones
the first player to exhaust their stones wins
Okay what about 3001 stones?
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reeeeee
think about if we played 19x19 with stone scoring (group tax)
at the end of the game, the winner would have exhausted more stones
would he of not have? hmm
Usually with stone scoring the player who has more stones on the board wins. That does not mean the player that played more stones wins (because stones get captured).
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