Well, I heard next month KataGo is going to be 40b, and surpsingly some owners can train LZ’s latest network to 80b. But as long as KataGo keep updating new networks it will enventually be stronger than LZ.
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Honestly, at the point of “stronger than any human alive” I think it becomes a moot point
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I am particularly bad at low handicap games as white. Does your AI handle these? Other “brands” do not.
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MIne can do handicaps until next month or even later.
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I’m not so sure lz is stronger, in my tests katago was beating lz pretty reliably with less wall clock time
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I believe the current accessible version of Katago is about as strong as Leela Zero network 200 if the website is using the 20 block version of Katago.
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Maybe per playout, but it can perform notably more playouts per second so if you give them comparable resources, I was seeing it beat lz most of the time
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https://github.com/lightvector/KataGo the comparison is based on visit parity at least that is what Lightvector stated.
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Yep exactly - so per visit it may be weaker, but it can perform more visits per second, which can make it stronger if you look at the quality of move it can give in one second.
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Thanks for clarifying that 
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Who is going to provide Katago on OGS? I asked roy7 and it’s not him.
I think we have 2 guys here to offer Katago
What are you asking? We have Katago at OGS now. That is what this thread is about:
Today’s update brings several improvements to the AI system:
- We now support both KataGo and Leela Zero engines.
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I think he means who will host a KataGo bot that users can play against
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I’m having an issue: in my old games against site supporters the AI analysis isn’t available at all. Not only full analysis but also top three moves. It just isn’t there.
Top 3 moves are displayed in other games.
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@anoek
For example this game: https://online-go.com/game/20886255
Both full reviews (LeelaZ and Kata) return 404. error: "AI review not found"
https://online-go.com/termination-api/game/20886255/ai_review/1467391
To me it looks like all games with old (pre Kata) full reviews are affected.
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First there were some animated jumping red christmas balls on the left. Then they moved to middle. Finally they settled on the right. I vote this update a solid 10 out of 10.
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@anoek
I think the review should show territory loss/win by move. This tends to be a lot more useful for humans.
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I guess we’ll just have to play more games.
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My older games against non-supporters have it
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Thanks, I’ll be looking into it today
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