If you didn’t emphasise that the decision is arbitrary you might want to make sure to pick the Katago move for instance.
But hopefully if you emphasise the kinds of move choices to make here “don’t matter” you’re free to pick between preferences based on aesthetic or other factors, not based on which is the better move.
It’s even stranger on like 9x9 boards where it can give mirrored symmetrical moves different scores because it doesn’t explore them equally.
I think though, just from the first position, we’re picking blacks move, and we can assume we’re looking at it from Black’s perspective, like we would be over the board (even though online both players have the same perspective online).
@Samraku’s comment is explaining why we (let’s say experienced go players), play the way we do. We’ve read in books, posts or videos that this is the “polite” thing to do, or to be honest that it’s convention and a large majority of games are played like that by professionals and amateurs, so it makes sense to follow along with it for convenience.
Why reply to me in a manner indicative of rebuttal, while saying nothing I’ve disagreed with, but only repeating the same things? it comes off as very disingenuous. And it’s still not addressing my point
Actually this makes me think that doing the opposite (or being unpredictable / unbiased wrt. such decisions) would increase ones winning chances very slightly.
Couldn’t disagree more. It’s a game, and as long as you follow the rules and don’t try to distract the other player with any “meta tactics” (like being noisy or whatever), then it’s all fair game.
I think you could come up with various reasons why you might play close to yourself in the opening, in terms of pschologically taking the corners nearest you, and maybe right over left side could be a handedness thing.
I do think the main angle of tradition and politeness, which even gets mentioned in beginner go books, similar to how to hold a stone, is a fairly dominant reason why people play top right first.
It’d probably be very slight, and maybe only at certain levels, where maybe you can remember a pattern, if it’s on the right side of the board.
I think if you can remember long enough joseki, then you can probably get away with remembering it rotated.
That is interesting point. I can read local groups correctly regardless of rotation.
I don’t know why. It doesn’t depend on size. It may be a long connected group of stones across the board. Rotated or not I can recognize it without any difficulty.
But the whole board doesn’t look the same for me under rotation.
I don’t think it would make much of a difference during the game, but purposefully forcing your opponent into a rotated board position they are less used to, sounds very much like a meta tactic to me. Its goal is not so much to be distracting, but to be disturbing their thought processes.
I wouldn’t consider it unfair, but bad sportsmanship (or a wrong mindset).
If you want to play something unusual, play a move that’s really different from the usual ones.
Something else: It wouldn’t be too hard to test which corners non-go-players would play on the first three moves (if told to play 3-3, 3-4 or 4-4).
People who play both online and on a real board should be used to both orientations. But when I came back to my go club after the Covid crisis, and my opponent played sanrensei with his black stones appearing on my left, it felt very weird.