I started studying a blog post shared by @mark5000 on AlphaGo josekis.
To my surprise, AlphaGo Teach (left)and Leela Zero (right) have a very different view on the large avalanche:
Any explanation on that? Am I reading it wrong?
I started studying a blog post shared by @mark5000 on AlphaGo josekis.
To my surprise, AlphaGo Teach (left)and Leela Zero (right) have a very different view on the large avalanche:
Any explanation on that? Am I reading it wrong?
That IS interesting. A couple of things:
LeelaZero is zero-based and AlphaGo Master is not, so it’s understandable there is a difference of opinion.
Try forcing those two moves for LZ individually and see if the output changes. Maybe the output would change if you followed the rabbit trail even further. I don’t know.
Thanks for the reply!
What’s also interesting is that the zero-based one agrees with humans.
I pushed a couple more moves and both stick to their evaluation:
Knowing discrepencies between Leela Zero and Pangafu’s Leela Master. This does not suprise me. LZ tends to think very lightly of value of influence. For what it’S worth I would guess AG master guess is more relevant for human players.
I thought AlphaGo Teach was based on AlphaGo Zero rather than AlphaGo Master. Anyone got some more information on that?
That’s what I was hoping, but the Tool uses AlphaGo Master version.
See https://www.facebook.com/aja.huang/posts/1761304863904077
Machine translation:
But then in my example it’s LZ that agrees with humans…
Regardless of humans, I was not expecting such a gap between the two on a local sequence. The sequence is joseki for LZ, a black failure for AlphaGo Master.
This might be a redundant post for anyone reading this (or anyone capable of using a search engine) but here is the link for AlphaGo Teach:
I only post as I was about to ask where I could find this tool and then remembered that I am (just about) capable of working a search engine.
And if you follow the link in my original post you’ll find it too (and much more)
First (and obvious) question: is the whole-board position the same in both cases?
It is, and as mentioned in my post it comes from a link shared by @mark5000.
If you’d like to read more click here. At the time LZ analysis was not available.
A small number of professional games do omit the exchange, but it’s not like this variation became any more popular after the release of AlphaGo Teach. In fact, it’s only appeared a minimum of three times since and including 2016, and only once since this thread got posted.
OGSJ doesn’t include the idea. Josekipedia has it marked as a “Good Move”, and the main line as “Ideal”.
(PS. Diego’s link is dead.)
aka OJE … because compound acronyms FTW.
KGS is KGS Go Server, they already got us beat ;)
Kinda like the B. in Benoît B. Mandelbrot stands for Benoît B. Mandelbrot.
Technically, those are a special set of compound acronyms that are recursive. No wonder KGS is in trouble, if they set up a stack overflow the first time you look at them…
At OGS we like to make sure we’re functional