Discussion about R16,P16,P17,O17,Q17,O16,R14

At position R16,P16,P17,O17,Q17,O16,R14, @BHydden started the conversation:

Trying to edit this to “White gets the top” “Black gets sente” but it wouldn’t let me save the changes.

( FYI @mark5000 )

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Two things:

  1. A bug is currently preventing changes to the dictionary. @Eugene is looking into it.

  2. “White gets the top” is fine. But White can indeed take sente there, as seen in several recent pro games. See http://ps.waltheri.net/422174 . Maybe change “Joseki: done” to just “Position is settled” to make it clearer that tenuki isn’t the main line.

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The PR to fix the editing issue is submitted. The problem arose when the blanks screen fix was applied. How those two are connected is a twisty tale :slight_smile:

Just need @anoek check & deploy.

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@S_Alexander said:

I’ve seen a few times White playing Q15 in this shape. Not immediately but when there’re some stones on the top already. Don’t know why though, shape looks weird.

( FYI @mark5000 )

I’ve actively avoided this joseki for the past 2+ years. It does feel strange seeing when pros/AI pick that peep or push at the star point right away or do neither. I haven’t noticed the pattern. :thinking:

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