At position R16,P17,Q15,pass,O16, @shinuito started the conversation:
Amateur mistake - but still good. I guess I just don?t like the conflicted wording/labelling
( FYI @aesalon )
At position R16,P17,Q15,pass,O16, @shinuito started the conversation:
Amateur mistake - but still good. I guess I just don?t like the conflicted wording/labelling
( FYI @aesalon )
Yeah, I’m not sure how to label that. The moves that I’ve put that header on are the moves that appear in textbooks as Mistake diagrams(this one is in a book) yet professionals still play them occasionally. Amateurs play them too often.
For example: https://online-go.com/joseki/28557 and https://online-go.com/joseki/42037
They see (or used to see) some professional play and aren’t regarded as THAT bad by AI.
I noticed several things on Waltheri:
I’m not sure I’m really happy with this being called an amateur mistake. But at the same time, it’s not so clear that it’s really a joseki. Perhaps we could mark it as “Historical / Variant Move” or something?