If I set my min rank to 20k and my max rank to 9d, then why would you let a “?” play in my match?
I suggest they earn their chops in auto queue. Start them at the bottom and upon winning thier first match they get a rank of 31k
so yes, if a 9dan profession creates a new account on OGS, he has to start at rank 30k
some may say this will diminish the quality of armature games, but lets be real, any one can sandbag at anytime, so youre really not solving a big problem anyway.
my 2 cents
I know
with your solution it’s “one has to sandbag almost everytime” instead of “one can sandbag at anytime”
sure it will diminish the quality of the matches that 25k-20k play
but at what cost?
if you’re a 25k player and you keep getting 9dans in your game, i don’t think this a such a big problem
i could get further into but, that’s the long and short of it
At the cost of them being fed up with the game of Go and quitting.
There will always be an issue with uncertain ranks, but dividing that pain over all players is much more fair than to let the lower ranked players take all the pain.
Another reason not to do this is that it doesn’t help the ranking system give someone an accurate rank. Imagine a “9d?” new player joins OGS. Selecting 9d is not an option but lets say it is. The 9d is expected to win against a 25k, so playing that game and having the 9d win, achieves nothing to help the new 9d player get an accurate rank. It’s just a wasted game for both players.
i think this is the main problem
not cool bro
I found this a little confusing. It discusses a number of problems, and also uses terminology, specific to Overwatch which makes it confusing for people like myself who do not play the game. I’m not sure I want to watch a full 20 minute video that is mostly about a game I don’t play and that covers topics not related to the rating system used here, e.g. selling GM accounts, or the number of “avoid as teammate” slots available to players.
It looks like you only really cover your “rung” system from about 7:30 to 11:00, is this right? I watched this part of the video and it doesn’t seem to go into that much detail about why starting everyone from the bottom is the best way to do things.
thanks for the feedback, i took the post down, but the long and short of it is…
if you start all new accounts at the bottom, this creates problems
if you let people pick where they start at in the ladder this also creates problems
it is my contention, that making 9dans pass through the lower ranks, creates a problem that pales in comparison to letting 10k’s enter the ladder with a false 1k rating
ok so the reason you want to start new players off at the bottom of the ladder is because the higher the rank, the more important it is to have accurate matches/gliko points, allow me to demonstrate
at the very top of the ladder, youre not going to ever want to sacrifice the quality of the ladder for the quality of the match, cuz theyre at the top, they have earned it
but this is exactly what is happening at the middle of the ladder, you are sacrificing match quality of the people who reside in the middle of the distribution for the quality of the entire ladder, pump the breaks
the higher up you are, by nature your games should be more protected
bonus, if you don’t like it you can always become 9dan
peewee leagues don’t work in anonymous ladders
if you reside in the middle of the ladder, you’ll be subjected to more than your fair share of unknown (?) accounts. This is artificial.
If you reside at the bottom of the ladder, you’re always capable of making Dan rank.
So, if we subject the people in the middle of the ladder to new accounts, this can be changed with a click of a button (under the hood), but if we subject the ppl at the bottom of the ladder to unknown (?) accounts, they can always face fewer unknown accounts simply by getting better.
and if you come back with, “the ppl in the middle of the ladder can get better also” need i remind you that they already have gotten better, up from where they were at the bottom of the ladder
in conclusion, overall match quality of the ladder is the wrong target, the higher you are the more reliable your matches should be, shall we put 9dans and 5 dans to the task of sorting out the ladder, nay!
Are you talking about these ladders Go Ladders ?
I honestly feel like the main idea with those is to grind your way up, so it kinda makes sense that everyone is put at the very bottom when they join. It’s a nice alternative for rank-based system since everyone is treated the same no matter how strong they are
I don’t understand this post. New joiners do start at the bottom of the ladder.
no i’m talking about how the ranking system works for normal ogs, a fresh account will start in the middle of the ladder, instead of at the bottom
It’s a continuation of this thread: Don't let "?" ranks queue into my custom games - #12 by rexwatchover
Edit: maybe I’m confused. I recall that discussion being about replacing the OGS rating system with a ladder-based system, and it also involved a discussion of ? rank accounts. But maybe this is discussing the actual ladders.
oh my bad youre right
yeah, now when i have a ? account enter my custom game, i block him and play the game begrudgingly
i set the perameters, from 20k to 9d
no where in there does it let me exclude ? ppl, this needs to be updated!
Oh, so by ladder, he means the ordering of ranks from 25k to 9d, rather than the ladder tournament system?
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So you are talking about what initial rank new accounts get?
Some years ago, all new accounts started around 6k. This caused problems, both for the real 6ks getting annoyed to be paired with noobs, and for the noobs getting crushed by 6ks.
Now when you register you can say whether you are beginner, intermediate, or advanced (I forget exact terminology) and you enter the rating system at one of 3 points around 25k, 11k, 3k. So what you are asking for already happens, if noobs correctly self identify as noobs when registering.