I hope I haven’t missed anything, as I couldn’t find this option anywhere, but my suggestion is simply to be able to change the private/public status of a demo board after it has been created (I just see “grant access” to specific people/group after the demo board is created as private). Thanks.
I think the rationale here is the same as for Games: once you’ve made something private, the current people with access may have contributed something private. From that point on, it is not fair to open it up publically.
But all the people may also have agreed to make it public. What about when only one person has the control over this demo board? And the other way around public → private, I don’t see any problem to be able to change that.
It feels dirty starting something as public and then later retracting that. Other people may have contributed and don’t want to be locked out, and it just feels like erasing history
Ok, it makes sense. I’m always thinking about the situation when I’m the only person to contribute to this board, so maybe a “Lock access to the contribution of other people” which doesn’t even need to be a new option (the system just knows when the creator granted access to others or not) solves that and only allows what I’m asking in this case.
I understand it’s something available but still I never really understand why players want privacy for playing a go game.
Actually I’m just thinking about the “Demo Board” as being used as a teaching tool, for example solving tsumegos, making annotations, etc.
A teacher and their paying pupil. The teacher’s strong rank could attract annoying kibitzers. They wish to keep the valuable teaching content only visible to the person who paid for it.
In theory, yes. In practice: how?
It’d take a voting system … ya ya ya… very complicated very quickly. Not worth it.
I do think Demo board, more than a game, belongs to the creator. Hence it would be reasonable to give control to the owner.
Still I think it’s also a reasonable position to keep privacy setting a permanent thing.
There are a variety of choices across social media
It sounds right but there is chat… that is not necessarily about the game…
I agree, more than just the creator may contribute, but it’s not obvious to me that has to mean mean shared ownership.
Example: On YouTube viewers can comment on videos, but creator still maintains full control of the video (including privacy settings)
I’ve always wondered why anyone would want their game private.
As well as “I don’t want to be embarrassed by the play”, “I want to talk about things that I don’t want the world to see” has been offered as a significant reason.
The YouTube counter example is a good one, but I think that “this game/demo is private” has more of the “chat is private” considerations than comments on a YouTube video.
Note that I’m saying this just in the spirit of “interesting discussion” not “debate or argument about how it should or shot not be”
Simple situations where no harm is done and I believe there’s little to debate:
1 - I copied part of a game from a teaching book and I accidentally set it to private. Now I want to share it with others who could benefit from it, but I cannot make it public. I have to do it all again from scratch, instead of two or three clicks to change the settings.
2 - I was working on some silly personal beginner studies, which let’s say I would be a bit embarrassed if someone saw them (all hypothetical!! Not ashamed of my eternal newbieness ). Then I want to keep my studies, because we were all beginners someday, but now I have to delete the board and start all over again, just to make it private, because I forgot to change its visibility before.
I’m not clear how it helps to have examples where being able to change the privacy does no harm.
The thing that prevents us from allowing this is the scenarios where it does do harm - opening up stuff that folk thought was private.
(I can’t think of any reason why we would not be able to change it TO private, except the complication of working who should be included - can you hide it from the other player? From chat participants?)
Can’t you just download the sgf of a private demo and upload as new public one as a workaround?
And conversely you can download a public demo, save it in your sgf library as a private file, then delete the public demo.
Ok, good points. Although I’m still not convinced that when a single person is the “owner” of the board, he/she should be able to control its visibility at will, the .sgf is indeed a workaround I had completely forgotten.