black or for white?
(Sorry, going OT but curious)
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Depends on the komi. OGS 5.5 komi is better for black.
My guess is with 6.5 komi under Japanese rules (territory counting) the advantage for white is less noticeable than that for black with 5.5 komi. But I’m not sure as I haven’t played many 6.5 komi games.
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They are so different that simply claiming one is better than the other doesn’t make sense. Both are fantastic games in my opinion.
Since I do understand Go a bit, chess feels more shallow than before. Simpler. Even a bit childish! But it’s still a challenging sport and great fun particularly at short time controls - playing many games in one session.
The aspect I still struggle the most with when it comes to Go: The huge demand on your humility. I regularly feel infinitely small before the game. Feeling lost somehow. And I see even dan-level players having similar emotions while playing.
With chess it’s way easier to get to a point where you feel in control. Even when you are behind/losing.
Chess is the heated pool.
Go is the dark, deep and cold ocean. Fantastic! If you can handle it.
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Because Go have made Google created Alpha Go, which become part of and bring progress to better AI application in real world. Artificial intelligence could be one of humanity’s most useful inventions.
Chess can’t do that.
Do you think Google would not have created a Superhuman AI if it wasn’t for Go?
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Because it is more “woke”:
The pieces are egalitarian rather than hierarchical.
The pieces don’t discriminate religiously.
The pieces don’t support the enslavement of animals.
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But they exhaust nice big trees and shells…
Chess sets also use wood (or pollute with plastic, a hydrocarbon product), and vintage sets often used ivory for the white pieces.
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Google will still create. But with slower progress. I think.
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Go is the same as chess because:
“This is the beauty of chess. It is a debate without words, a silent conversation (although ‘trash talking’ is a common and entertaining feature of street chess). You must put yourself in your opponent’s shoes, read them and understand them. You must assess their style, identify their strengths, learn their weaknesses and vulnerabilities, discern their strategy, predict their moves. These techniques aren’t just relevant to chess — they are life skills too. The ability to look ahead and see round corners is just as valuable in the worlds of business and politics as it is on a chessboard.”
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I played some street chess at Dupont Circle in Washington in the 1970s, and trash talk was no part of it. It’s a sign of our current times, I am sorry to say.
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Go is better than chess because every chessplayer knows where to go, but a Go player doesn’t know which way to go.
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No one is better than anyone, but go is more complicated
My lichess ranking would like to have a word…
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Go has bigger contribution to AI development (deep neural system) compared to chess.
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As a Chess players of 50 years, I can’t bring myself to say that Go is categorically better. They are both, imo, LIGHT YEARS better than any other game though.
I learned to pay Go decades ago, but every time I try to get into it, something in my personal life interrupts my learning and I have to start over a few years later, up until this last time. I’ve only played about 50 games of Go in my life, but I absolutely LOVE the game.
Chess is better than Go in that:
- More pieces afford a better opportunity to coordinate attacks.
- VASTLY more opportunities and learning materials, at least in the West, although the internet is changing that (YEA OGS!!!)
3)Much easier to play a casual game, because of the sheer number of moves and time involved in Go.
4)Chess is less abstract.
Go is better than Chess in that:
1)The coordination of different areas of the board, which can be switched in emphasis back and forth, makes the game continue to be engaging even if you’ve made a mistake in one area, you can often unite that are with another and bring life back into that part of the game.
2) The strategy (and tactics) of Go are unique among “war” games. Capturing is secondary. and there is no one winning goal (like the King in Chess) that you can focus on exclusively.
3)Go is more abstract.
Ok, I know I said both games are better because of their level of abstract thinking. I love both; depends on what kind of mood I’m in.
Both game are absolutely brilliant and great fun for someone who like to think.
About the way the initial question for this forum is phrased: I play a sport called Pickleball. It’s kind of like Tennis meets Ping Ping with a little bit of Chess strategy thrown in. It’s one of the fastest growing sports in the world. It takes faster reflexes, both with the hands and with movement, and more strategy that Tennis. We who play it, love the sport so much it’s hard to put it into words. Tennis players often watch the games on YouTube and proceed to explain why it’s a crummy sport and not fit for “real athletes”, because the balls and paddles are lighter, and you don’t have to run as mush as in Tennis. Still, Tennis players are flocking to Pickleball by the thousands every month. Discussions about which of two sports or games is better can be interesting as long as they are conducted by people who know and love both, but otherwise, they just seem defensive. Go players don’t have to convince anyone that GO is better than Chess, or vice versa. I wish the Tennis players who have never tried Pickleball would withhold their opinion until they’ve tried it. And I think my fellow Chess and Go players should try the other if they have not.
Which game(s) or sport(s) one prefers depends on what they like- how they like to test themselves.
I would be heartbroken if I couldn’t play both.
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…you can sit side by side with your partner/opponent and don‘t get confused by looking at the board from the „wrong“ side.
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I’m gonna strike an unconciliatory and unapologetic tone here but come at me chess players (its a go forum). Go is undeniably the better game from a game design perspective although ultimately it comes down to taste.
- Go has less rules and doesn’t have a bunch of dumb situational rules like chess.
- Go is way more likely to be actually balanced (i.e. black and white have equal chances of winning). This is especially true with integer komi or komi bidding.
- The overwhelming majority of Go games don’t end in a tie.
- Board size can be adjusted according to how long a game you feel like playing.
- At almost any point in the game there are more options/viable moves in Go than there are in chess.
- The chess community is a lot more splintered globally with different populations playing similar variants like Xiangqi, Jangqi, Shogi, etc. There is no game like Go and players worldwide can play each other with minor differences in rules not affecting this.
Seriously looking for someone to challenge me / fight me on this.
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