Go Zendo

Green, red, green!

Koan_814 Koan_813 Koan_812

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Green!

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Soon we’ll have enough data to train a classifier. :wink:

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I suggest starting from an existing go engine for pre-training.

Just not leela zero.

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Is it somehow about ladders?

Rule guess: It’s white to move. White can capture a black stone in a ladder, OR escape from a ladder. I think that’s consistent with the previous koans

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Bravo!

I was expecting the rule to be found out sooner, because I mentioned it in this thread before:

In retrospect the disjunction “ladder capture or ladder escape” makes the rule way too complex. I should have just stuck to ladder captures.

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It can be a bit tricky to detect ladders in general

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/225160127_Ladders_Are_PSPACE-Complete

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Not tricky, just slow! :smiley:

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Nice! without the hint that it is actually about go gameplay I would never have thought in this direction :smiley:
Guess it’s my turn to be the universe again, I’ll think of a rule.

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To paraphrase Sagan…

In order to become the Universe, you must first create a Zendo rule

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Alright, new rule. Any size board is accepted and it does not have to be a valid go position.

Heres a green and a red koan:
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Good luck and have fun!

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I was thinking in the ladder direction at some point, but couldn’t put it together.

As expected, it’s not a very complicated rule, but hard to see.

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Rule guess: at least one white and one black stone are touching each others,

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How disappointing!

Next rule guess: In each quadrant (exluding the middle lines on odd board sizes), there are either only white or only black stones,

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Rule guess: there’s a dog face shape of one color.

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It’s funny, I considered that rule :slight_smile: But, I chose another one
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