Important Philosophical Questions + POLLS

Do you know what the current trend of “morning shed” is?

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Did you recently Google “morning shed”?

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Yes, after reading this … but I guess I should just have neglected it :roll_eyes::man_shrugging:

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Who would tenuki more?

  • Donald Trump
  • Jordan Peterson
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I think both of them are con artists, so I’d expect them to try to win by score cheating and/or botting (rendering their frequency of tenuki irrelevant).

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Not sure I understand the question, as normally weak players don’t tenuki enough. If you mean it to say they’re both “all over the place” I find them both remarkably consistent.

How so? Trump is doing nothing other than fulfilling his campaign promises, you don’t have to like it but I see no deception.

And Peterson lost a cushy university job because he refused to keep his head down and play along with their political games. Financially speaking if he conned anyone it was himself, but I bet he sleeps fine at night.

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For one thing, they are both climate change deniers[*].
And Trump promised to bring down inflation, but raising tarrifs will do the opposite.
And overall he has proven to be a pathological liar (like a fairly recent one I remember was about Haitians eating pets in Springfield). I hope you’ll forgive me for not listing all 30,000+ false and misleading claims Trump made during his first term alone.

[*] a link for JP: What does a Jordan Peterson conference say about the future of climate change? Apparently we’re headed towards ‘human flourishing’ | Graham Readfearn | The Guardian

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Jordan Peterson reminds me of Lord Dorwin from Asimov’s “Foundation”. :sweat_smile:

In terms of consistency he is like the reverse of corn-starch. Surprisingly consistent while observed, very malleable if pressed. Therefore I voted for him. Trump is more likely/keen to double down on whatever point he is making, however wrong/unscientific it might be (“It is the best point ever made” :stuck_out_tongue: ).

Considering that he spiralled to substance abuse and he had to be placed in various institutions for many weeks/months (depending on the instance/case), I’d say that this is highly unlikely. :thinking:

It is public knowledge. I respect his effort to rehabilitate, however he can hardly be seen as a role model of “sleeping well at night”.

I never understood Peterson’s propensity to wander in other - totally different - scientific/knowledge fields than his own and trying to make serious statements about issues concerning those sciences, while trying to maintain an air of “call to authority”.

His ventures in theology are the most amusing, I’d say, though I admit that I haven’t followed all his trips down different sectors, so there might be others much funnier.

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That was already fairly substantial news before Trump repeated it. Even I had heard that story and I’m not super in the media like he is.

One could speculate whether that was conscience induced or grief over the state of the world induced, but point taken :slightly_smiling_face:

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If we think of tenuki as tactical topic-shifting, Donald Trump embodies the concept more aggressively if you ask me.

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Since we are in this topic, we had discussed a lot of times that maybe Go needs some boost from “famous people playing Go and promoting the game”. Wouldn’t it have been so funny if it turned out that the famous people a lot of us looked forward to turned out to be totally controvertial ones like Peterson and Trump? :rofl:

Imagine if they were actually good at it too… I can actually hear them “I play the best joseki in the world. I tell you, noone has seen as beautiful josekis like mine. So beautiful.” :stuck_out_tongue:

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Hmm, maybe I’m too tired to think clearly… are there non-controvertial famous people?

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Sure there are :slight_smile:
Athletes are mostly positive role-models and unless they go out of their way to be obnoxious (e.g. Mario Balotelli ) or do something highly risky (e.g. Luis Figo) then they are rarely controvertial. Who on earth dislikes Nicola Jokic or Paolo Maldini? Even the ultras/fans of the opposing teams respect them.

Artists/Authors/Singers can also be widely liked as personalities, even if their art is not to everyone’s liking. Not all of them have “beef” with one another and cause drama. E.g. Brandon Sanderson is non-controvertial and already wrote a novel somewhat inspired by Go (Yumi and the Painter).

Actors can also be non-controvertial. Not all of them dabble in in-fighting, drama and politics. Who dislikes Clint Eastwood or Keany Reeves?

TV presenters also can be non-controvertial, especially game show presenters that have been in TV for decades and most people like them. E.g. Take Top Gear, while Jeremy Clarkson is one of the most controvertial people on TV, however James May and Richard Hammond are quite the opposite. You can hardly find anyone that actually dislikes them for any logical reason.

And finally some influencers. Even though there is internet drama even in things like woodworking, there are some that just mind their own business, so everyone likes them. There are not too many of those though. I can only think of people like Anton Petrov or Astrobiscuit or VLDL.

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Aaah yep, too tired confirmed :+1: thanks :sweat_smile:

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Philosophical question:

I have the opportunity to introduce a small group of people to Go. Circumstances say 9x9 is appropriate as a starting point, both time and other factors.

However, I’m very, very bad at 9x9. Like, very bad. So, I’m worried it won’t go well.

What do I do?

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Presumably they’re even worse?

As long as one is confident that they know the rules (and I know you do) I don’t see an issue with playing 9x9

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Don’t worry, you can probably give at least 2 stones to any beginner on 9x9 (and that’s huge on such a small board). The point is not to teach fine tactics or strategies, just explain the rules:

  • capture
  • once they understand capture, two eyes
  • then ladders
  • then territory.

And the above is probably too much for most beginners. You want them to play as soon as possible, so don’t overwhelm them with explanations. The best is to explain the game in a few minutes and let beginners play together. Or if they play with you, don’t be afraid they will learn your bad moves: they won’t.

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I agree. I was really bad at 9x9 a few months ago, but I was able to give my gf 9 stones and won the game. She is a complete beginner but I taught her the basic rules of capturing, liberty, and territory.

I don’t think that was very motivating for her to keep playing though… I would suggest to pair the beginners with other beginners so they could have fun instead of being destroyed, with some guidance from you.

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And as @jlt said, I don’t think they’d learn your “bad” moves or anything, speaking from experience.

And if they do it’s a great thing. They should learn moves that are better than their current level, until they see it doesn’t work and learn something better. That’s a great way to get better

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