Important Philosophical Questions + POLLS

Haha, let me tell you that this doesn’t necessarily change as you get older I’m 67, soon 68, and have been a member of this forum for 11 years, and I’m also embarrassed sometimes when I read stuff I wrote when I was 56 :laughing:

So … simply keep on keepin’ on :slight_smile:

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Hypothetical question:

A Go player that has been 1-dan for the past ten years, joins the World Amateur tournament and wins it without losing a single game and winning all games, even against the top players, by 30+ points. Then he proceeds to retire and never play Go ever again, not even friendly games online, but still cashes-out as much as they can by appearing in videos, articles, conventions and media and goes around as a “wonderful dreams-can-come-true story” for fame and clout:

  • Perfectly reasonable, no problem, it can happen. What an inspiration!
  • Very suspicious, I do not know how, but cheating was probably involved and that person is avoiding playing any more games to mask the fact that he is not really on that level.
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Could have been playing and studying on an alt. I’d need actual positive evidence of cheating to conclude that, rather than circumstantial evidence

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I agree with this, but do note that the poll choice says “suspicious” and “probably”. The question is not about taking definitive executive action, but what are your immediate thoughts about such a weird situation. :slight_smile:

I wouldn’t say “this person was probably doing such and such wrong thing” unless I thought there was good evidence for it, regardless of whether or not I’m in a position to affect the official verdict

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Something impossible to jump from 1d to 6d, even 1 year looks impossible to me.

Besides cheating there are options about quality of datas too. (Very old ranking and fox new ranking…)

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WAGC champions are generally mid-pro level, so maybe 8-9d EGF.

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They are Chinese 6d ,:grin:

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Please assume the data is not outdated and that the person performed on a stable 1dan level for the past years, as mentioned in the original premise.

It didn’t say “has performed” at a 1d level, it says “has been” a 1d player. You can be a 1d player without playing a single game once you achieve it. You can even play games on alts

Yes, the concept was that we have a constant/yearly competitor, with a stable and verifiable rank through the years. In that regard, the rank and the performance are one and the same, since there are constant updates to it. If it was a case of a player that hadn’t recently updated his rank or was playing in alt-accounts and suddenly returned to his main account, I would have asked that question instead. Hopefully this solves any misunderstandings.

Also, the question is meant to be more “general” in terms, I just turned it into a “Go example”, since this is a Go forum :slight_smile:

If anyone dislikes the Go premise, alternatively, they could read the poll as follows:

Your next door neighbour, who is just an average middle-class citizen like you are, suddenly bought a Lamborghini, a yacht and a helicopter. What is your first thought?:

  • He got a raise at his job and he can afford all that on his salary. How inspiring. I should ask for a raise too!
  • He inherited money or he won the lottery or something else is going on, even something illegal, potentially? Definitely something out of the ordinary though.
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Still some differences between rankings. Anyway no one did that jump in strength suddenly. So it’s pure fantasy.

In Go? It has never happened, in my best of knowledge.
In other things, it has. The question/poll is not based on my imagination.

Neither; there are so many explanations for that I wouldn’t conclude any of them

Isn’t that covered by the “Definitely something out of the ordinary though.” part? :thinking:

It could be the first one. Or he just always had the money. I’m not going to conclude anything in that situation. And unlike the Go player example, I don’t care why he has a car: it doesn’t affect me. I do care if someone’s cheating at the highest levels of play, because that doesn’t just hurt me, it hurts the entire community

I am now genuingly curious to hear at least one example of a middle-class normal job, where getting a raise would afford you a helicopter, a Lamborghini and a yacht. :slight_smile:

If most people got a raise at their jobs, this is the only helicopter they could buy:

I didn’t ask for “conclusions”, but " your first thought"… even if you do not care or conclude anything, some thought passes people’s minds when they notice even the most mundane of things, like “oh, there is a TV, a bed and a fridge outside my neighbour’s house. He is either moving, renovating or getting robbed”… you might not actively care at all to go find out which of the three is it (or if it is a totally different thing), but your mind is working and thinking.

I admit that I didn’t add an “I do not care” option in the poll because I assumed that someone that doesn’t care about this or honestly has no thought at all in any of those scenarios, could easily just also skip the poll.

Doesn’t it? Transformational money like that are rarely “clean”… if it is an inheritance or lottery, that’s fair enough and it doesn’t affect you, however if the dude has taken inspirations from “Breaking bad” or is embezzling money, then it does affect you and your community.

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There is quite a difference between I don’t care and I skip.

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How would I know what job they have?

Yes, but then the problem is the theft, not the car