Joanne Missingham

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Thanks for this compilation!

Hard to not fall in love especially after these documentaries.

I met her briefly in WMSG 2008, but others were more aware of her career as I was myself.

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Wow, impressive. But… so much pressure on one person. :flushed: I hope she’ll still do well in the future. :crossed_fingers:

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There are already 16 Go schools/classes in Taiwan opening with her brand name right now, and expected to be over 20 next years, and she is cooperating with others to promote her own tabletop games, sensebot Go playing robot, and her youtube channels, so she is doing just fine. (probably has the highest income outside of playing professional games of all pro players)

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So she has basically become the Nie Weiping of Taiwan?

That would be exaggerated, since she is not a top professional, however she is remarkable as strong go professional as well as multi-talented person.

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I meant more like how Nie Weiping is used for marketing Go and Go-related stuff in China (e.g., the franchise Nie Weiping Go Academy, etc.)

Also modeling and acting.

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Nie Weiping has made some tv shows but I don’t think he models or acts

Just for clarity she is not Taiwan’s top go player… or anywhere near it for that matter. Strong for sure though.

海峰棋院-職業棋士 I believe this is the base site for taiwanese professional players (the nihon ki-in equivalent basically)

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But isn’t she the top female pro?

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On the goratings pro ranking list, Missingham has an Elo rating of 3036, which would put her at #495 of the ranking list (about #40 of female pros). Her peak Elo rating was about 3088 in 2011 and again in 2018, so her highest ranking may have been around #415 (about #25 of female pros) at those times.

She is currently not in the ranking list though, perhaps because she apparently hasn’t participated in any pro competition in 2024 (perhaps too busy with her other careers?). So currently Yang Zihuan seems to be the highest ranked (active?) female Taiwanese pro at #522, with an Elo rating of 3014. From what I can find, their head-to-head score is slightly in favour of Missingham (4-3). So Missingham would perhaps be the top female Taiwanese pro, if she actually participates in competition.

Senseis has quite an extensive page about her go career and competition results: Joanne Missingham at Sensei's Library

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Missingham is the female pro listed with the highest rank (7p).

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Of Taiwan yes, not globally. I thought you were mostly asking about her global competitive ranking as a female pro. Also, pro dan ranks are more like lifetime achievements, and promotions may be lagging for new talents, so they may not accurately reflect current ranking in competition. That’s why I looked up her competitive results to answer your question if she is the top female pro.

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On the site linked by @Paige she’s top of women and in 16th position globally in Taiwan

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Nie Weiping is no longer the strongest player of China, but that doesn’t affect his status as a cultural phenomenon who contributes to promoting Go. I meant that Missingham as a cultural phenomenon might be similar to Nie Weiping since she is not only a top-ranked pro but also a cultural phenomenon who uses her status as a cultural phenomenon to promote Go.

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My post was a response to this question:

I interpreted that as a question about her current competitive status, not as a question about her iconical status.

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Here we have once more the difference in understanding of ranks between Asia, one hand, and Europe and the US, on the other hand. If I understand correctly the basis of the Asian understanding of rank is that it should reflect the understanding of the game while for the European and American Go players ranks is merely a utilitarian tool for tournaments.

I have no idea which of my statements in this topic gave rise to that tangent.

But anyway, if that were true, how do Asian pro organisations evaluate understanding of the game (and award pro ranks accordingly), if not through competition. How would that even work?

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Well the discrepancy between that she is the female player with the highest pro rank listed despite the fact that she no longer plays actively.

What I mean is the same when Japanese business men buy a dan certificate which they use to show their understanding of the art of Go despite the fact that such a certificate does not reflect how they would do in a tournament.

I once read that the European ranks (and I assume the American also) theoretically took the worlds best player as the measure so the idea was to determine how many handicaps people ranking bellow the world’s best player would need to play him. By contrast I have read that the Korean amateur ranks takes the complete beginner as the measure and the idea is how many handicap stones the complete beginner will need to play someone who really knows the game (i.e., a 1 geup player).