KataGo 7 komi self-play games

Game 132 (NZ rules, 7 komi) is dominated by a fight developing from a complicated 3-4 pincer joseki in the top left. White wins by at least 6 points.

https://online-go.com/review/1124824

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Game 133 (7 komi, NZ rules) sees both players making massive territories. Black ties his top side moyo together to live in one group. It’s a draw.

In game 134 (7 komi, NZ rules), black and white each manage to kill about 20 of the other player’s stones. But white’s reduction of black’s giant center moyo is just too much, and she wins by 10 points.

https://online-go.com/review/1130305

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Why is it a she?

In old-school commentaries, black is male and white is female. I find this rather elegant, especially when the players both have the same name.

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Game 135 (NZ rules, 7 komi) begins with both players tenukiing from a high-approach-to-their-3-4-point joseki. White gains a local advantage in the top left from that, black in the bottom left. In the endgame, a dispute over the top side (starting with move 185) ends with both players getting more or less equal shares (move 258). Only small endgame follows, and the game is a draw.

I have always been confused why it’s not the reverse, to align with yin/yang. At the end of the day it’s just a convention, can’t really be said to be right or wrong, it just is, but it does seem strange/unexpected to me

That’s true enough, after all the proverb says “ladies first”. Maybe this convention originated with chess? I wonder if Asian languages also use different genders for the different colours when not discussing human players.

Is that an eastern proverb, too? I wouldn’t apply it to games, anyway. Wouldn’t apply it to much, tbh, it seems to mostly be used by women as an excuse to ask for special treatment. About the only place I’d apply “ladies first” is in small gestures like holding the door, and even then only for older women and/or people entering a church, since I expect those groups not to get offended at it

While I disagree with much of your more recent post, I do like the idea of aligning it with yin = black = female; yang = white = male. Shame I didn’t think of this before I annotated dozens of dan reviews of AI games the other way round :smiley: Would be weird to suddenly reverse it now.

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“She” for White is also the convention on Sensei’s Library, though it is disputed and discussed in some detail and various aspects at Player Gender at Sensei's Library. I am used to it and happy with it, but it does seem that some people do the reverse.

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Michael Redmond (JPN 9p) has done a 65-minute video review of this game!

I’ve included all of his commentary and variations, plus bonus KataGo variations, in the OGS review.

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