Do pros still hit their own game clocks, or do people do that for them? If there are people to hit clocks for them, maybe there could also be people to collect stones for them. If they hit their own clocks, they should have enough available focus to also handle stone collection.
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Ke Jie is a drama queen and a clumsy klutz. If you watch his livestream you will know, thatās who he is. And he admitted himself (being clumsy). No defense for the mistakes he made
But as others have pointed out, we want to be fair and not go into a personal judgment on the Internet. Ke Jie did eventually ālearnā to pay a bit of attention the next day, and didnāt make the same mistake for 150+ moves, and all the first 5 captures. Later, when he did forget, he corrected them. So I donāt think we can just judge him and say he never learns and this is all for show.
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Interesting suggestion although there is still the question of interrupting a player thinking and asking him his next move. Not so easy matter.
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In this event, as in most (all?) in Korea, they do their own clocks. In Japanese title matches they donāt.
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The scribe can easily solve this problem, by flipping a captured stone score flip card in front of the scribe table so that both players can see.
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In this final with a scribe, yes. But the rules also apply to less important games with no scribes like preliminary rounds with dozens or even hundreds of games at once in a big room. So putting the stones in the lid makes sense as something the 2 players can do themselves without additional support staff.
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Changing the base tournament rules is not what we are talking about here, for high-profile cases like this tournament, there are tournament-specific rules and regulations that supersede existing baseline tournament rules (LG cup rules, they are short but they are there). Donāt throw out viable solutions just because it doesnāt fit everything, otherwise, we will never have a working method (try to solve every possible situation, nothing will ever be done).
And this method was already somewhat in place for the Japanese title tournaments, where players sitting on the ground couldnāt see the stones in the lid, so even if they placed them in perfectly it didnāt matter. But they can ask the scribe anytime. And they used to have byoyomi counter with flip cards back in the tv broadcast days. There are lots we can do to smooth the game, and not disruption
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I donāt think this is an issue of āone side should take the most blameā. Every party has things to improve. Ke Jie shouldnāt have broken the rule for 3 times. Yu Bin couldāve reminded Ke Jie more strongly about the rule. The judge should intervene immediately instead of āwasting timeā talking to the coach. The coach trying to appeal also increased the pause time, hence making it look unfair when it couldāve been resolved in 10 seconds. Byun Sangil succumbing to pressure and pointing at the stone is viewed as lacking sportsmanship. And the rule itselfā¦ definitely needs improvement.
But no matter who is to blame, I donāt support character assassination like what many people in China is doing now. That is really too muchā¦ Ke Jie has the support of the entire China and even some Koreans behind him and he can still play games. Byun Sangil doesnāt have any hobbies and heās socially awkward. He just lost a game very badly yesterday in the Baduk League. This may have a very bad repercussion on him if there is nobody to support him.
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There is supposedly a proās union ķźµķė”źø°ģ¬ķķ (Korean Baduk Pros Association), and one of their function is to support pros in whatever they can (they are the union after all), but tend not to do much. The current chairman is Han Chongjin, and he was suspiciously quiet for a while now (right before the rule change date last year)
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Oh I thought union only supports them in terms of their benefits. Does it support them for their mental health as well?
I donāt really think they care that much in general at the moment. Itās not a common practice to cover mental health. But during the incident in 2018, lots of pros supported Diana even if she is not Korean, so if they wanted they definitely could.
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Hong Minpyo National Coach: āWe ask for your encouragement and support for Byun Sangilā
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I find it hard to see Ke Jieās point as legitimateā¦ While the rule book doesnāt mention the timing, it seems to me that the referee used the only reasonable interpretation of the rule as written, i.e. that the stone should be put in the lid right after capture.
What would be the other interpretation?
- That the stone can be put in the lid at any time during the game until scoring? That would make the rule meaningless since the whole point is to ensure captured stones are visible during the game.
- That the stone should be in the lid after some arbitrary time following capture, e.g. āafter 10 minutesā, or āafter 5 movesā? If any such arbitrary period was intended, it would have been specified and certainly cannot be assumed.
Of course they should clarify the rulebook, if only to avoid this kind of arguments in the future, but I donāt think there was any legitimate doubt as to the intended interpration.
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Iām not sure whether there are any other Go streamers whose live stream will be made into newsā¦
More conspiracy theory from ē«čåø (Peng Quan Pro)
I honestly want them to take this to court. Chinese people, take it seriously.
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This read like a kpop apology, do they all have the same lawyers??
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To court? Like a court of law? Which law do you think was broken here?
And by ātaking it seriousā you mean diligently training to put stones in lids?
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