I think “please add require analysis disabled as an automatch setting” will be a much easier pass than “make analysis disabled by default” personally, is there anyone who wouldn’t find that compromise tenable?
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That would be quite good to be honest (and far less controversial).
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Indeed. Changing defaults is a hard sell. We still haven’t swapped to the vastly superior dark theme as default yet… Comparatively adding a new setting is much easier.
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Everything is tenable, even the status quo since we are already using OGS anyway. The discussion is however very much about changing the default (as the title of this thread suggests) so that wouldn’t address it.
Indeed another default in need of a change!
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People use the light theme? ew…
I just assumed that everyone switched to the dark theme as soon as they found the settings.
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I think this discussion and poll should be bannered for a few days.
112 responses is quite a large dataset, but I’d like to see what it looks like with, say, 250 or more. Forumdwellers are, after all, a pretty small part of the OGS playerbase.
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I’ve mentioned before on another thread, in my opinion the ability to place a stone on the board before submitting is in itself a form of analysis.
What next, will people be claiming that that is not fair play? That the default behaviour should be that as soon as you click or touch that is submit!
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There is a significant difference between a single stone and as many stones as you want.
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But really how deep do people go with analysis!
For me several stones in and it can sometimes be just as brain numbing as trying to mentally read it through that you might as well try to read it.
I find that placing the stone and pondering for a while can be very revealing…
Isn’t that what “using analysis” is all about? Actually placing the stone and pondering, as opposed to trying to visualise and ponder at the same time?
I don’t like the assumption that it’s fine to place even one stone on the board before reading.
If you want to place a stone, you can – you play the move.
If I was playing over the board and my opponent placed a stone, thought for five minutes and then picked it up again, I’d tell him to put it back down.
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Well online allow you to put the stone without disturbing the opponent
However, I admit it’s a bit of a grey area.
I see descending levels of “analysis” in this regard.
- Analysing whole sequences
- Placing a single stone
- Hovering with the cursor stone
- Just writing down the coordinates of the move, on paper, or in a text document, or in the Malkovitch log etc.
1] I’m thoroughly against. 2] I’m also against, but it’s not so egregious.
3] is one of my own bad habits that I should probably be trying to cut down on. I recognise that there isn’t a big difference between 2] and 3].
4] was allowed for many years in OTB rated chess, but was prohibited some time this century. I’m alright with that practice, since you still have to visualise the stone.
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taking notes. Now that video recording is coming for online tournament, I wonder if it’s allowed to open a notepad… IRL tournaments besides the self recording of a game, I saw ppl sometimes taking notes it was strange but the consensus looked to let it go.
but we are going a bit off topic here.
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What is an appropriate quorum of voters to legitimize a forums poll to establish the quorum threshold to legitimize a shift request to analysis-off?
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What is the appropriate use-by date of a poll?
It strikes me that in this case it has expired - we should have a new one if we want reasonable indication of people’s thoughts at the moment.
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In that case, you really will have to banner the new one.
It clearly took over a year to get a hundred votes without one.
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should we have a consensus or should a majority wins?
OGS isn’t a democracy.
anoek decides based on what he sees… the polls just give him some of the picture to make the decision.
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I am aware of that. I was pondering the tendency to make polls to express wills when you may have more interest in things that everyone agree on it.