New Zealand baduk goes bananas

For the first time in ages, I went to Other Go Resources - quite a surprise awaited me…

Heaps of people have migrated to NZ it appears! BenKyo’s bought the maple syrup, Gooplet is enjoying liquid joy from Wellington boutique cafes. Nick Sibicky (first Go video I ever saw) has bought the fun, even Michael Redmond and Dwyrin have come to the party. Good news indeed. You have to understand, NZ is very small, I’ve physically bumped into Peter Jackson (LOTR) in the supermarket. It’s only a matter of time before I meet GoPro Yeonwoo (just out of screenshot, also NZ apparently). I always imagined her to be quite short, but perhaps I’ll walk around the corner and find out she’s like 6’8".

I understand there is a small chance that there’s some glitch on the display of that page, that in fact these people have not come way down South. This would be disappointing to me.

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Flags indicate language, not physical location. On my computer I see US flags instead of NZ.

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Bananas in NZ?

I’ve just had a squiz, and it looks like they’ve all decided to cross the Tasman!

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Got it.

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But neither “American” nor “New Zealandish” are languages, are they?

If they are then the number of languages I speak just jumped up quite a bit haha

American English is the main variant used on the internet, so it makes sense to use a US flag in general, but people from England might feel dissatisfied by seeing that flag, so it also makes sense to display a UK flag for users from UK, a NZ flag for users from NZ, etc.

On the other hand, if a Belgian or a Swiss make a video channel, I wonder what flag should be used.

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How about countries with more than one language? Or people who speak more than one language that belongs to a country? What flag?

Actually Frisian is also a recognised Dutch language.

Friesland has its own flag.

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IMO this only makes sense if the dialect of that country is actually implemented. Like setting this on a OS level often makes sense because there are actual regional differences between USA, GB and NZ. BUT that doesn’t apply to OGS. OGS only has one “English” so it should just use the GB flag for it for everyone.

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I’m pretty sure the answer is you put whatever flag there makes the most sense for the content it sits beside.

If a player is from France but they created an English language resource called Go for Beginners (EN), should you put a French flag only beside it? It might be confusing.

You’ll see some resources actually put two flags beside it, either because the content is available in multiple languages, or if you want to show affiliation beside it etc.

The various Go associations have their country flag beside them I believe (It’s not a US flag beside New Zealand, even if the resource flags are US because you’ve picked the US flag, or it defaulted etc).

If you change your flag on the site, it will change that regional flag also. So if you have an NZ flag and all the English language resources are shown with an NZ flag, change it to a US flag, and now they’ll all be US.

I would say that choice is just convenient, so you can look for your own flag (assuming that’s what you picked) and match resources to that.


It should also be a fairly simple change in the repo, if you want to add a country flag to a particular language

Or add a flag onto a particular resource

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if (language === "german" && ["at", "de", "be", "ch"].indexOf(user_country) >= 0) {
        return sanitize(user_country);
    }

Ok, so if there are German Go Ressources and the logged in user is from Belgium he will see Belgium flags next to the Go Ressources. To me that feels overengineered, uncommon, unexpected and unintuitive.

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I’m just showing you how it is.

If you want, you can fix it with a one line pull request, or suggest a fix with a github issue, or flag it here to be fixed and someone else can fix it etc.

Maybe we can collect a few things like that to be fixed all in one go.

There’s not many - but yes I think the Aji’s quest comic in german looks like it changes to a belgium flag, the hebsacker verlag shop. Funny enough the ones that might be sensible to fix would be the french flags that get changed like FFG association flag - if one wants that to be fixed to say the country of the association.

It’s something you can play around with a come up with a list of fixes I suppose.

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Hmm some of those are bit weird ngl

Video channel in european union language?

(seems like that channel has been permanently closed in 2022, maybe we should remove it?)

Would be nice if someone would have the time and the energy to properly check which links are still active, theres quite many video channels that haven’t posted anything in 5+ years ://

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Nick Sibicky might have uploaded a Video recently, but even if he would not have uploaded in five years a link to his Chanel should stay. I don’t think time alone can be the deciding factor.

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I know my comment was not supposed to be directed at you.

This would be a complete breach of protocol. The established process is: Complain in the OGS forum enough until someone working on the project fixes/improves it.

Btw why does OGS not have a community Trello to vote on issues or something?

A “one line pull request” requires me to setup the project on my machine. Which I could do I guess but you know how it is.

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Ah yeah, maybe its good to keep the youtube channels which have saved videos ^^

But for something like that lumberjack channel, which streams in australian language, who hasn’t streamed in 6 years and have no saved videos, i don’t think we would lose much if we were to remove the link from the list ^^

Some other dead links too, for example the “AGF store” under equipment has a 404 error, and the links for “A Game of Go pt. Ipt. II” under go music have been removed from the site they once were

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As just one example, New Zealand has three official languages - English, Te Reo Māori and sign language.

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And plenty more (List of official languages - Wikipedia).

Now I challenge the developers of OGS to use the Italian flag for German content, but only if the user comes from Tyrol or Trentino.

I mean that’s basically almost how it currently works.

Except that the flag would be shown even if the guy is from Rome. See the example with Belgium above:

Also they didn’t add Italy to the list of German speaking countries for some reason (while they did add Belgium). They also missed Luxemburg and Liechtenstein.

Guess they missed out on this video.

I don’t know if you should calibrate your sarcasm detector or if I should not try to use it online.