Nowhere in the world is education as expensive as it is in the USA.
England is about #2 in cost of education, but even there cost of education is “only” about 50% of the cost of education in the USA.
In South Korea the cost of education is about 15% of cost of education in the USA, while the resulting salaries are similar to France’s salaries (about 63% of US salaries).
In Denmark, salaries are similar to US salaries, but education is free.
Edits: include some other countries, add comments, order by cost of education.
Arguably most university departments and their degrees do NOT lead to very lucrative or very “easy to find a job in” careers", I will refrain of mentioning too many names here (it is not the point to argue over which degrees are better and how each of us defines what is “better”), but I will give the example of an archaeology degree which might be similar to Baduk studies.
Probably a bonkers choice for most States in the USA since it might be niche and hard to land a decently paying job for it over there. Probably very viable for places like Greece, Turkey, Italy, Egypt and so forth where every stone you turn over could potentially lead to an archeological discovery. Also for bigger construction projects or town expansions you need an archaeological permit/survey performed by an archaeologist. So, plenty of work for the people with such a degree here, compared to the States.
Same thing applies to Baduk Studies. It might look like a niche degree from our perspective since there is no such market in our countries, but it might be a very good and rare degree over there (remember that is the only such university in the world). And whatever is rare, might be a very good thing for a very specific market.
As a general note, here is the curriculum of the department:
@Clossius1 You and a lot of people have made topics and discussions about how to promote Go, how to market it, what is the best practice for teaching this or that and a lot more.
Well, they are teaching quite a few of those things.
I fully admit I was looking at this with the eyes of College prices in the USA. I think we probably look at College in a much different light that many other countries. If I wanted to learn something, that would be an investment of money and time, I would want a return out of it financially. I would look at a smaller class or private tutoring over paying the cost of a College class if I wanted to learn something without worrying about a return but just doing it for the sake of learning.
170 € (registration) + 100 € (CVEC) = 270 € for the first three years
243 € (registration) + 100 € (CVEC) = 343 € for the next two years
So I would evaluate the cost of becoming a teacher at 270×3+343×2 = 1496 €.
In addition, students have to pass a national exam (CAPES or agrégation), so they may need to spend a few hundred euros for train tickets and/or hotel. So not more than 2000 € overall.
The other estimate, 8023€ to become a civil engineer, looks more accurate.
The cost is still 270×2 = 540 € for the first two years (“classes préparatoires”). Then students have to pass national exams, the cost being about 1000 € if we include registration fees + train + hotel. The cost of the next three years is variable, for instance
About 4000 €/year for “Mines de Paris”
3500 €/year for “Centrale-Supélec”
Some engineering schools are much cheaper, 601 €/year.
So the overall cost lies between 3000-4000 € and 13000-14000 € depending on the curriculum.
In France most studies are considered to be free of charge. Excluding most business schools and paramedical schools.
For others, the low fee mentioned are kind of a small administrative fee.
Then you are not supposed to join renting, food, transportation, etc… in the statistics. (Well if we want to compare then I’m asking if this is homogeneous stats input in the different countries)
It should be mentioned scholarships for families with low income. And various helps for eating and rent.
It’s bit more complex as that you know… Every tax system has its own unfairness.
That is everywhere a very common pushing from parents on their children too. No exclusivity in this! Still I am very happy to have started my working life without a big loan on my shoulders (which seems to be a big problem there) and still any country need some fundamental research to run for future development (fundamental means not related to the industry, not “applyed”)
Yes, the yearly fee of 270 € or 343 € for university students is so low that education is considered as free. Depending on the situation of the family (income, number of children, distance between home and university), not only the fee is waived but also students get scholarships. The following table shows the annual amount of government aid, depending on the situation. Other aids e.g. for lodging are available in addition.
But this is not really the subject of the topic, which is about Myongji. I didn’t find information about Baduk specifically, but the cost of studying at the Korean language education center of Myongji, Seoul campus, is
I fail to see what’s so funny about spending tax money for (higher) education.
It is not as if it REALLY costs much if you have some normal salaries and normal universities.
For example the university I attended didn’t have a “lazy river” like you might hear in the news:
… it had no “sports program”, no coaches getting millions, no administrators getting millions (all we had was three lazy secretaries for almost 5 departments) and no professors getting mega-money either, even the tenured ones. It was just a building.
Offices for the professors, 1 amphitheater, 3 classrooms, 2 labs, one floor for speacialised reasearch labs, post-graduate offices and other equipment. Oh, and a basement for the crappy servers.
So, sure, the Greek education - especially its infrastructure - is nothing to write home about, however it usually gets the job done.
Example
I remember someone from my village that took an expensive post-graduade course in the Imperial College of London (which is world famous and expensive) and, to his horror, he realised that the professor of the prestigious paid course there had “borrowed” the slides he was taught on the same free undergraduate course in the University of Patra (which you’ve never heard of). Of course he aced the course
And all those universities cost what? A mere sliver of the country’s GDP. The whole education system (primary/middle/high schools included) costs 2.8% of our GDP (far lower than the EU average), so let’s say the universities are 1%? I’d say that’s among the few tax money that are not being wasted in this country, so I honestly don’t see the joke. The country is going to tax you something anyway, what so funny about that money going for something useful?
Meanwhile elsewhere:
Of course, “tuition free”, doesn’t really mean “totally free”, as someone else mentioned you have to live, move, survive and eat while there. Those are usually paid by our families or we get a job while attending college. There is no such thing as a “student loan” here and that’s a good thing.
It really does.
I remember once checking the prices of BIBA for the courses they offered in Seoul, along with food and lodging and one month there (of a fun vacation and learning about Go) would cost you what you’d pay for a week in a Greek island. Most affordable edu-vacation package ever (the flight there might be costly, but that was not the fault of the establishment)
I’m just saying that there’s no such thing as “free” education.
It’s either you are paying for it or somebody is paying for it.
In this case, it’s tax money, so every citizen is paying for it whether they like it or not.
About whether that’s good or bad, I don’t have enough knowledge or research into this area to comment, but I do believe there are pros and cons to everything.
Depends who pay the taxes. For example as I wrote it before the states who have students in France pay a big part of french universities researches. So, not my pocket. Buy maybe yours?
