Question for experienced players: Is this a thing? (Sideseki?)

interesting fact: distance between all stones in sideseki is equal

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while standard stones are much more far away
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so sideseki may be very good help in battles in center

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my current opponent seems to have had the same idea, so he went tengen to prevent that, but I got a double wing out of it, so I think it is still a good result:

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Hehe, this happened in one of my recent games with the windmill opening, too. :slight_smile:

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3rd line sideseki is unbeatable!

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That’s very impressive actually! O_o
We can now have the low sideseki, the high sideseki and the mixed sideseki (half of them on 3rd line and half on the fourth line for balance). Thank you very much for sharing your results :slight_smile:

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sideseki vs center base

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wow! that center got really scary at some point, but I like how you stuck with your strategy and judged correctly that you didn’t need to contest it in order to win. Great game :slight_smile:

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Well (see AI) the early endgame went a bit chaotic, but white gave the victory by his move in upper left. Interesting and in some way quite fair game anyway.

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wow that is an impressive and interesting chart! How did you make it, if you do not mind me asking?

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Nice process! Is Sabaki an sgf editor, by the way?

Here is something to consider:

Josekipedia tells us that this is a bad move/choice (move 5):

However with the sideseki stones being already placed, this is actually a very playable (or maybe desirable) variation? :thinking: (the game is ongoing, so we will soon see the result, I guess)

just got similar position

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Spotted a video where someone plays this fuseki

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A video? A pic for us.

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V2





Black



opening


area




White



opening


area





32 black games and 30 white
opening means first 4 black stones and first 4 white stones
area is about end of the game
black color means that black stone (or area) was more often at that coordinate than white

size of black circle compared to size of white circle means nothing
small black circle means the least popular coordinate among black coordinates
big black circle means the most popular coordinate among black coordinates


*smallest black circle may be impossible to see on black grid line

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this is not a very interesting comment on my behalf, but I have to make it:
wow :sunglasses:

I was curious how high-playout KataGo would handle the sideseki. After the first 8 moves, white’s winrate with 7 komi is 90 %, but she’s only ahead by 6 points (meaning black is 1 point ahead before komi).

Three games: :slight_smile:

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This is very interesting!! Thank you very much for taking the time to look into this. :slight_smile: I will go through the variations soon. The end-results seem pretty neat.

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It would be interesting to test without komi, so black don’t panic.

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B5 and c9 in first game very interesting.

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