rating how do you find your exact kyu level

I need a lot of self-control in order not to get ANGRY and run all across this forum SCREAMING after reading this.

Those exercises that have been suggested to you so many times, by people who have done exactly these exercises (or similar ones elsewhere) teach you …

  1. the RULES, and …
  2. basic techniques.

You won’t get anywhere if you don’t learn these.

Why are you so stubborn, why do you dislike heeding advice, never mind how friendly and understanding the person is that gives you advice, never mind how much the person giving this advice even is in the same boat as you are?

Many other newbies suggested that you play (PLAY!) through the Learn To Play lessons, and while you’ve been whining here about how “bad” you are and posting self-deprecating sh!t like that other post of yours where you call yourself an “idiot” they have slowly been working (playing actually!) themselves up one, two, or more ranks.

GOODNESS, we’re talking about POTTY TRAINING here, and you complain that this potty training doesn’t make you a proctologist!

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Difficulty learning. He’s finding it difficult to apply the lessons from one situation onto another.

This is just what it is. It is absolutely fine to help him out, of course, just do so without expectations about the outcome.

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whinning i guess I have done that a few times-- for times i apolozise as usall you are pretty hard on me, mind you just asking questions about go that most newbies ask themsleves but don’t ask in forums because of well, this attitude of replying - but that’s ok i will keep asking questions and replying what I think most newbies are experiencing here, and yes i still think the lessons section does not show you a stragery to win or even advice on what to play given limited knowledge of the game the exreices they provide show what a move is what a kill is what capture is but i can’t find antwhere were it said this is te best way to open this is the best way to forward your middle game this is how your force your opponent into bad decision and here is how to stay out of trouble by doing this or that
That’s what i looking for — and many others here also, of course at the newbie levels only

No use trying to fix the record player. The record itself is scratched.

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You can also play 5x5 (and up to 9x9) at SquishyGo - Free Browser Go Game

Start on the smallest board against the lowest AI level. Once you can win a few times in a row, move to a larger board or a stronger AI (maybe sometimes a lower level AI on a larger board is easier to beat than a higher level AI on a smaller board).

Be patient with yourself and the app, sometimes it’s a bit slow.

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This is gold!! :grin:

The game - and the tutorials - are hardly as inscrutable as that.

30 kyu should mean that you know the rules (how to places stones, how to capture stones, atari, how to count after the game ends) and what the goal of the game is (to capture more territory than the opponent). Pretty simple stuff, can be learned through any basic book or tutorial.

Asking for clarifications on the books and tutorials is one thing and it is encouraged.
Not doing/reading them and expecting to be provided that knowledge somehow is an odd learning choice.

That said, I do not see the frustration of you not learning Go (or not wanting to put the effort to learn Go) as a reason to get angry at you. It is what it is. It doesn’t really matter if you manage to learn Go or get to 30 kyu someday, does it?

Such advice exists and I do recall various people (me included) providing it to you.
To keep this simple, let’s repeat some of that advice, since you want some formalistic steps/moves, here they are for 19x19 board:

a) Start from the corners by playing 4-4 or 4-3
b) Learn and try to understand a couple of basic joseki for those two openings (a total of 4 or 5 very simple joseki)
c) Try to expand from your stones and have a goal of getting more territory, while not creating too many weak groups.
d) Proceed to play only the 7 basic shapes in either attack/expansion from your stones or defense and keep an eye (well two eyes, in case of Go :stuck_out_tongue: ) in creating groups that are alive.

That’s all, you are 20 kyu now. :saluting_face:

Now you can either do that, put in some effort to learn the rules, do a couple tutorials (there are a few in the link I posted) and then try to practice those in real games or not. That’s your choice.

Go can be a very deep and complex game, but let’s not sit here and pretend that its rules aren’t simple and easy to learn.

Hard to apply? Sure.
Hard to learn? No.

Here is a picture from a randomly picked game of yours:

Stones A and B where never used until past move 100 where the opponent eventually moved towards them and made you notice that they exist. :thinking:

Practically you played most of the game as if the board looked like that:

So, now you are playing against a player with similar skill to yours, pretending that you have a handicap of 5 stones and the opponent has played first on 3 out of 4 corners and two of the sides.

Following the simple rules I posted above, the game could have looked like this:

Which is a very very typical/common oppening.

So, you can spam games like the one above where you seemingly ignore your own stones OR read all those heaps of advice, pause, think, review your games, learn and all that is what we call in a word “improve”. Whether you like it or not, that is something you must do. Noone can do it for you.

Good luck and have fun.

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OK, I must apologize, I guess, because I actually did lose my self-control.

Well … all he actually needs is to apply the lessons from one lesson to the next one … and that would be a LOT easier, as the lessons are quite repetitive and IIRC sometimes show the same thing just from another perspective (like, rotated).

First, many newbies have asked the same questions here and got the same answers, without giving blame to those who answered but instead heeded the advice and got stronger.
Second, “this attitude of replying” … really?

But hey, I guess I just need to stay out of your threads, it’s just too frustrating, and then things like these happen.

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thank you for a well thought lesson on playing go that made sense to me – its the first on i seen that a had a battle plan to follow mind you i think it might be hard to impliment into my brain you shape thing but i like what i see here hope i can replicant it in a game soon — thank you for taking the time to forward something i can use – it was very very imformative

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