What if on the games/play page with all the filters we added check boxes for blitz, live, and corr? We have filters for pretty much everything else…
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I think the requested default ordering is
Live Regular Go
Live Rengo
Correspondence Regular Go
Correspondence Rengo
with the rationale being live rengo is generally a short list (currently none) compared to correspondence and so is pushed off the screen at the moment, even more so on mobile. In the reverse order, the correspondence list would still be visible and not completely pushed off the screen.
I play correspondence mostly and dont play live rengo and personally would not feel inconvenienced by this change. Whether or not it will result in more rengos, no idea.
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How about keeping only two lists?
“short games” and long games"
and in each one put a notorious symbol that identifies the Rengo games (As well as the warning sign when there is custom Komi)
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In this game the chat suddenly focusses on not being able to undo moves in rengo:
Maybe @DoctorStrange can help?
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What do you think of this?
There are long live and short live, and long Correspondance and short Correspondance.
Live vs correspondance refers to something different as short/long. It’s more if you stay waiting for your opponent move or not.
Unless, of course, you’re on the “Play” page 
Play page doesn’t say short long…
Of course the standard choices do have a length graduation but these are default settings.
It does, at least for me.
(ignore the almost dead battery please, thank you)
Edit: I think my screenshot also nicely shows the issue currently being discussed. Both these short and long games are regular Go and I would have to scroll down to get to Rengo.
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Ah ok, i stayed at the beginning of the page (automatches)
“I bet I can program it” is a safe bet for Dr Strange to make: no-one can call your bluff on that bet, because rengo-undo would be a back-end feature.
I think that I did observe in the past that it would be “hard to program”, but in retrospect this feels like an overstatement. It is not the case that “undo does not exist because it is too hard to program”.
Rather, it does not exist because it would be significant effort that comes with a long tail of risk.
Undo-for-rengo would be a lot like casual mode: a feature that needs to be grafted in where it’s not really designed for in the first place.
Given that they’re just casual games, it’s really hard for me to see the point, TBH.
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Hello!
I don’t know if you understood what I proposed. (Sorry, my english is not good)
Here with a screenshot and paint add some letters “R” inside a square that would represent the Rengo games.
Leaving only the titles of “Short games” and “Long games” in the menu
I’m sorry for the insistence but I want to be sure that what I said was understood 
I think your point was clear, but I’m not sure I agree with the idea of merging regular and rengo games in a single category.
However I liked @mafidufa proposal above to change the ordering as follows, as it improves the overall visibility of live rengo without hurting other categories (due to the small number of live rengo challenges):
Live Regular Go
Live Rengo
Correspondence Regular Go
Correspondence Rengo
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Yeah, I think this is the right thing to do ^^
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in casual correspondence rengo most people timeout and while it happens, game goes on very slowly. Then, when everyone except active people time-outed, game finally start to be played fast. So I have idea how to make casual correspondence fast from the beginning.
Currently only player who is placing the stone on the board has timer. Everyone should have their own timer too. But others should click “I’m still here” button instead of placing a stone. So those who are not active will timeout very soon and game would be fast.
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I spent this evening trying this out.
The problem is that the headers for Rengo and Normal are different.
That makes it look pretty higgldey piggledey…
Maybe this would be less of an issue with more rows per type of game? 
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I think for me the live - corr solution would work better, if we could add a filter for rengo games and individual games.
Someone could have both of them toggled or only one, depending on the mood, but the list would only have two parts to manage.
I generally prefer fewer devisions and more filters.
Just offering my two bonbons.
I believe the rearrangement is wasted effort. The reason there are few live rengo games is that it is hard to organize a live game among several people from a small pool that is seriously interested in rengo in the first place. It is a matter of people’s diverse timetables. The best solution already exists in the form of a Rengo Group, where players can post their interest in organizing a game, and the details can be hashed out in the chat.
The point is simply to give some visibility to the occasional live rengo games. I think we all acknowledge that it will still remain rarely used and that no rearrangement will significantly change that (and that is even the reason why I was comfortable having it higher, as anyway it will remain small and will not harm the visibility of correspondence games below).
The attempt above by @GreenAsJade doesn’t really shock me… though we may need to label “live rengo” and “correspondence rengo” rather than just “rengo”.
But we could also explore the merging and filtering option if it works better, as suggested by @sbstnmntlf and @Gia.
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Thanks to some cool new stuff, you can try this change on beta, without waiting to see if we actually deploy it to beta, via this change-specific-link:
I realised that the higglydy piggldy columns don’t really matter because in practice it will only happen if there are Live Rengo waiting … which is hardly ever
To use this, you need to log in with an account on OGS beta .
(You can of course register a new account to try this).
If you arrive not-logged-in you won’t see anything on the Play page … I personally did not know this, but it’s true: the Play page is empty of games for not-logged-in people. Strikes me as odd actually
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