- HHG is a normal townsperson
- I am a detective
- Gia is a protector
- I love playing brawl stars
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Which is correct
Spoiler alert correct choice
It is I love brawl stars for sure
The story is now up.
The ghost of Haze was watching over the town and saw Vopvset leave. He then snuck into Vopvset’s house. No one knew this, but one valuable part of Haze’s plan was stuck in his house, and he was able to get it out because Vopvset had fled the town. “I must get my hands on Vep’s formula for haldak. That is one of the parts I am missing in my plan to become immortal. I know he hid them in his brother’s house. Now I have an opportunity to take them…”
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If someone wants to counterclaim as the protector, please do so publicly. It would be too easy for a robot to do so anonymously, but doing so publicly would reduce the possibility of a robot among two people.
Do you think everybody should reveal their role today?
I guess it probably won’t hurt.
I don’t know what the detective found out during the night.
If they found out about a robot, they would have told us by now, so probably they found out about one of us regular townspeople.
The thing is, the robot detective also found out about one of us. Maybe their plan was for the RD (robot Det) to point me out as a robot, since they found out I’m the protector, but I was early?
And our HD (human Det) might be reluctant to disclose their role and what they found out, since they can hardly prove they are not the RD.
Our best bet is if they kill the assaulter (sorry person, but you’ll die to make our chances better), unless they got so lucky and found out who it is yesterday. I think the assaulter should stay hidden.
EDIT: Sorry got confused, thought the assaulter was also a dead-man switch, meaning they kill whoever kills them. My bad.
So, we don’t kill anyone today either, I protect someone and we ask the assaulter to kill someone tonight, probably the one that challenges our own detective?
I think our HD should reveal themselves.
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I agree with yebellz that once someone came out as protector, the real protector would be forced to step out. There are three options:
Option A: The real protector came out in the first place. I believe this to have been a bad idea (because the protector cannot provide any useful information, and no one can protect the protector but themselves). If the protector is the only one that is known, then they don’t know who to protect. That seems like all of the drawbacks and none of the benefits.
Option B: It is a ruse by the robots. This is a high risk gambit, of course, as they would be out in the open. Once the ruse is discovered, they’re dead. That means it is most likely a strategic play to lure out the real protector; this seems a bad idea for them though, because is a 1:1 trade, and they’d go from 5:2 (150% disadvantage) to 4:1 (300%) disadvantage.
In this case, if the protector doesn’t come out, it becomes (to the rest of the players) indistinguishable from Scenario A, and we would all be sitting ducks.
Option C: Extremely unlikely and foolish, some other townsperson is claiming to be the protector. In this case, congratulations, they’re the real MVP protecting the protector. But this is indistinguishable from Scenario B, and would only work if they blindly trust each other, which they have a priori no reason to do. This has the worst odds to backfire terribly, if the real protector comes out meaning 1 innocent is killed by day, and the protector is a sitting duck by night.
I don’t think this is a good idea. That the protector did it, as I said, I think was a mistake. There’s no reason for everyone else to do the same and become a live shooting range.
EDIT: if no one else has come out by now, I guess she is the real protector.
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I am not the protecter so I also think she is the protecter
I would like to remind everyone that all communication should be done through this thread, no PMs allowed unless you are the two robots talking with each other during the night or you want to ask Haze something specific.
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Who the hell is cheating? EDIT: This isn’t the first time someone claims to be receiving PMs
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Everyone, please read below and consider this question (please VOTE)
Should we reveal our special roles today (day 2)?
- Yes
- No
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Ok, here’s what we know for certain:
There are 7 players left, 2 are robots, 5 are innocent. Vsotvep was a regular innocent (with no special) role, so out of the 5 innocents, we have left:
- 1 Detective
- 1 Protector, which @Gia claims to be
- 1 Assaulter
- 2 Regular townspeople (with no special role)
Sports_for_Life seems to have been temporarily suspended for spamming, so @Leira has taken their place in the game.
Almost everyone, except for @ginger2008, has chimed in on this day, and no one so far has counter-claimed to be the protector.
Anaylsis
Out of the possibilities that were listed by @Leira above, I think that option C is very unlikely (and a serious misplay that I don’t believe Gia would make, since she has played this game before). Thus, the possibilities are down to A and B.
If it were indeed a ruse by a robot (option B), then I think that definitely the real protector should step forward in order to corner a robot to one of two suspects. If B were the case, then I think it would be a serious strategic error by the real protector to remain silent, since I believe narrowing down a robot is more valuable than keeping the protector hidden.
Thus, if no one counterclaims, then I think we have to work with the assumption of option A, and that @Gia is innocent.
The robots killing a regular worked to our advantage. I believe, but am not absolutely certain (since I have not worked out all of the possibilities), that if the detective had investigated and confirmed the innocence of one of the other regular townspeople, then we might be able to force a win with everyone revealing their role today. I’ve said this on day 1 and asked others think through the logic of this speculation. Am I wrong? Would this strategy work? I’m disappointed that little time has been given to such logical deductions, which are our best chance of defeating the robots. I even asked @Vsotvep directly, since I knew that he likes and excels at such logical puzzles. I was disappointed by his silence and had thought (until he was killed and confirmed as innocent) that his reluctance to speak about it was a sign of unwillingness suggesting that he might have been a robot. It is a big loss to us that he did not offer his logical reasoning about potential strategies before he met an untimely death.
If the detective is able to come forward with a claim that a living regular is innocent, and the assaulter reveals their role as well, then we would have 4 (out of 7) players claiming innocence, and the silence of the remaining players would confirm those claims. Thus, the robots would be forced to come forward as well with false claims. If they pretend to be regular townspeople, then we still have the suspects reduced to 2 of 3 regulars (the fourth being cleared by the detective). Thus, I think the robots would have to claim to be the detective to survive. If both of them claim to be the detective, then we have the robots reduced to two out of three players (all claiming to the be detective) and we will win. If one of them claims as the detective, and the other robots claims to be another special role (i.e., protector or assaulter), then we would have two pairs of players that each contain one detective, which would allow us to force the win as well (either kill one robot today or tomorrow, then work on the other pair, before losing majority control). Thus, the only viable strategy for the robots would be for one to claim as the detective, and the other to pretend to be a regular. This situation would be trickiest for us, since I’m not entirely sure how we would ensure victory (in all cases), and it would depend on what the robot impersonating as the detective claims that they discovered last night.
Note that if a robot is pretending to be the detective, then it would be unwise for the robots to kill the detective at night, since it would immediately reveal the robot. It would be suicidal for a robot to claim to be the assaulter, since the real assaulter could just immediately kill them on the next night (and I think this one-to-one trade would be good for us).
Of course, it is possible that the detective either:
- Checked Vsotvep last night
- Discovered the protector or assaulter
- Discovered a robot
- Discovered the innocence of a regular townsperson (which is what I am hoping for in the analysis above).
Case 1 would be the worst for us, since the detective has not learned anything valuable. Case 2 would also not be great in a reveal roles strategy. If it were case 3, then I think the detective should definitely reveal, but since we have not heard anything yet, that might not be the case.
Note, if the detective reveals their identity today, I think we will get at least one more investigation from them. If no one else claims to be detective, then the protector can protect them, and they have the luxury of checking one of the few players without confirmed innocence tonight, and we will get that information on the next day. If a robot has claimed to be the detective, then they should not kill the detective tonight, since it would just immediately reveal that robot, so we will get additional information on the next day (either from the real detective dying or from what they are able to share). However, assuming that the real detective and fake detective live, we would have two counter claims of who was investigated and what was learned on night 2. We would have to think carefully about the logical implications of either case.
Before we decide whether to kill today, we need to address the question of whether or not to reveal roles, and what we might have learned after doing so (and depending on what ruse the robots decide upon).
Overall, even though revealing roles might not be able to force a win for us, I think it could offer an advantage to us. Keep in mind that the robots have a detective as well, and may well have already found our specials.
If you disagree with my logical reasoning or have more to add, please speak up! Failing to engage in the discussion about these logical deductions only helps the robots. We need to use our wits and reasoning to win. Remember, we are playing as a team. We (us innocents) all win if we eliminate the robots, regardless of whether we are ourselves eliminated along the way. Please discuss.
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Please speak up if you disagree / counter Gia’s role as protector!
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As no one else claimed to be the protector, I believe @Gia, even though I don’t think it was a clever move to come out as the protector immediately (without having discussed revealing our roles before).
Now, after Gia is out, I think we should all reveal our roles.
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My role:
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- Innocent_1
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- Innocent_2
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- Protector
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- Detective
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- Assulter
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- Robot_1 (nobody will write here)
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- Robot_2 (nobody will write here)
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@ginger2008
@李建澔2
Competing Claims:
李健澔2 and Leira are competing for Detective.
HHG, ginger2008, and yebellz are competing for Innocent.
It seems that roles will be revealed. I’m honestly still unconvinced, I think it’s a 50-50 gambit. But I’ll follow the democratic process.
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I would want to be able to protect the detective tonight. I’ll stand sentry outside their door until dawn, you can trust me to keep them safe.
If a robot claims to be HDet as well, then they are forced to kill someone else, I guess me.
I hadn’t thought that the assaulter can just kill whoever claims their role tonight, that is sound reasoning.
@yebellz, I hope you don’t mind if I rephrase what you wrote, it helps me think.
If the assaulter comes out and nobody counters them, we have 2 of 5 confirmed. If someone counters them, they kill them tonight, so we are down to 1 robot tomorrow anyway.
Let’s say we get 2 people claiming to be HDet:
- I protect the right HDet, they have to look at 3 people at worse, if they checked on our dearly departed V last night (they don’t have to investigate me, the assaulter, themselves and the impostor HDet). Tomorrow we get either a robot to kill or an innocent to clear.
- I protect the impostor HDet, either they kill the right HDet, so we know to kill the impostor tomorrow, they kill an innocent or they kill me (most likely).
P.S. I want to add that, in another bloody incident in our cursed picturesque village I had my intentions doubted, so I was afraid my lovely fellow villagers might not believe me if an impostor came out claiming to be the protector before me. I realize now I might have been mistaken.
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I really hope that we hear from @ginger2008. They are quite active on the forums, but barely participating in this game (only one message so far, I believe).
@HHG, you did not need to write Innocent 1 vs 2 or Robot 1 vs 2. There is no such distinction. If the innocents had unique numbers, that would actually make things easier for us.
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Yes, but you can’t make a poll with two or more choices that are the same.
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Are we sure @Leira just landed in our village today, though?.. Their mechanical legs could bring them far away and back at the village to pretend to be innocent newcomers. 
Again unnecessary, multiple people can vote for the same choice.
@Leira, if you are claiming as the detective, who did you investigate last night?
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